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The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by mfer »

wlesieutre wrote: post #8
caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

And on the off chance someone reading this is OK with the government doing that for law enforcement purposes, also consider that >At least a dozen U.S. National Security Agency employees have been caught using secret government surveillance tools to spy on the emails or phone calls of their current or former spouses and lovers in the past decade, according to the intelligence agency’s internal watchdog. before giving…

I've spoken with people who have said they are ok with it. But, when I start asking questions or sharing details on how this has been abused I tend to find they have not thought it through and are often unaware. In some cases people think I'm crazy until I show them press coverage on it.

I've learned that many don't have the depth of knowledge I have on the topic and have formed opinions with a puddles worth of information. Sometimes helping people learn more can change minds.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by andyburke »

nullc wrote: post #21
caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

> the social justice/accuracy concerns Unfortunately there has been a major cultural shift in the national ACLU. They are now largely uninterested in defending strong sense personal freedom and instead much more interested in social justice. :( (The frown isn't that I think such causes are bad, but only that I don't think that the loss of a strong defense of constitutional free speech is good). If you think I'm exagg…

Here are just a couple of recent examples that invalidate your claim. They were pretty easy to find:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/aclu-defends-article-l...

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/aclu-free-speech-whi...

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by kick »

vthriller wrote: post #28
kick wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"doesn't use JavaScript" and "can't work without JavaScript" are two separate issues. Google, the most popular page on the internet, doesn't force you to use Javascript.

> Google ... doesn't force you to use Javascript. About 3 months ago Google became unusable when browsed through w3m: search results are not rendered as links, just as a regular text that can't be followed-through. They clearly assume you always browse with js enabled, I can't think of any other explanation.

That sounds like a w3m problem. Still works on elinks and links.

Actually, I just tried it on w3m. Still works just fine. It must be that whoever compiled your w3m messed up in some way.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by jecke8888888 »

balt_s wrote: post #10
hackerrenews wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of assuming you could lock down your internet pipe. Use a RPi as a security appliance with strong whitelisted firewall policy. At least have some insight into what traffic is going to and from your LAN. Could also put in an entirely passive NIDS on a physical layer in-line with your network’s service entrance. Very difficult for anyone to defeat, when done right. Apologies for term misuse.

Or perhaps "the only winning move is not to play". I hear it is difficult to surveil through books.

you still have to buy those books, presumably using a cc or at least by showing your face

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by pg_is_a_butt »

the_af wrote: post #30
caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

> I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this Do you mean like the historical racism and anti-black bias of the FBI, as mentioned in the article? I want it emphasized. Like someone else said, a lot of people are fine with some authority they perceive as benevolent (or as fighting evildoers) to control every detail of their lives. They would answer your ques…

But they aren't black. You really don't get this.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by pmoriarty »

monksy wrote: post #24
balt_s wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or perhaps "the only winning move is not to play". I hear it is difficult to surveil through books.

Not unless they require your id to buy the book or check it out. The book store El Ateneo Grand Splendid requested my passport to buy the book "Argentinian Cooking". WTF

Not only that, but some years back there was an expose about some government profiling software marking people as more likely to be terrorists if they didn't have a social media profile.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by mfer »

dorchadas wrote: post #14
caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

Sadly, I know a lot of people who are ok with that. They're very much of the opinion, "Well, I'm doing nothing wrong, so I don't care. Especially if it helps catch bad guys". Not really sure how to fight that.

> Well, I'm doing nothing wrong...

Except many people don't realize how often they commit crimes and are unaware of it. Our individual definition of right and wrong doesn't always match up with the laws on the books.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704471504574438...

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by vthriller »

kick wrote: post #33
vthriller wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google ... doesn't force you to use Javascript. About 3 months ago Google became unusable when browsed through w3m: search results are not rendered as links, just as a regular text that can't be followed-through. They clearly assume you always browse with js enabled, I can't think of any other explanation.

That sounds like a w3m problem. Still works on elinks and links. Actually, I just tried it on w3m. Still works just fine. It must be that whoever compiled your w3m messed up in some way.

My w3m installation didn't change in the last year or so. I also had opportunity to test this on various machines when needed to google random things in a hurry—it's consistently broken for me.

As for reproducability, in just this week I've seen two versions of image search page back and forth, with little visual changes here and there as well as CORS headers that break some bookmarklets that I occasionally use. I guess they're doing some A/B testing, or just roll out changes slowly.

Re: The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

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Post by mieseratte »

andyburke wrote: post #32
nullc wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the social justice/accuracy concerns Unfortunately there has been a major cultural shift in the national ACLU. They are now largely uninterested in defending strong sense personal freedom and instead much more interested in social justice. :( (The frown isn't that I think such causes are bad, but only that I don't think that the loss of a strong defense of constitutional free speech is good). If you think I'm exagg…

Here are just a couple of recent examples that invalidate your claim. They were pretty easy to find: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/aclu-defends-article-l... https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/aclu-free-speech-whi...

> Here are just a couple of recent examples that invalidate your claim. They were pretty easy to find:

These are several years old. Can you find something from the past year? Turnover happens, missions change. From the outside, looks like they've changed.

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