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Why Palladium Is Suddenly a More Precious Metal

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Re: Why Palladium Is Suddenly a More Precious Metal

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I don't agree with his sentiment, but some people find it unfair that California basically requires every car sold in the US to come with a $1000 part to control pollution. The argument is that California regulations shouldn't set the price of cars in Mississippi.

I can’t believe people are stupid enough to think california regulations set the price of cars in other states, because they literally don’t.

The biggest markets set the price for the smallest

Re: Why Palladium Is Suddenly a More Precious Metal

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post #9

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i have a lifted truck but i'm cheap so i just wrapped a length of chain around the cat, secured with shitty padlocks i had laying around. doesn't actually have to be secure, just look like enough of a PITA to remove that the thief moves on.

I cut mine out of my trucks and put a straight pipe in. Sold them myself. Only able to do that in a state that doesn't regulate citizens to poverty.

Problem: thieves steal mandatory cats

One solution: Less government meddling, make cats not mandatory

Second solution: More government meddling, i.e. actually do something about the thefts

It absolutely blows my mind that people out there think #1 is the better solution

Re: Why Palladium Is Suddenly a More Precious Metal

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i have a lifted truck but i'm cheap so i just wrapped a length of chain around the cat, secured with shitty padlocks i had laying around. doesn't actually have to be secure, just look like enough of a PITA to remove that the thief moves on.

I cut mine out of my trucks and put a straight pipe in. Sold them myself. Only able to do that in a state that doesn't regulate citizens to poverty.

Besides being an idiotic asshole move, what you did is illegal in every state because it violates the Clean Air Act.

Re: Why Palladium Is Suddenly a More Precious Metal

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How exactly does cutting the catalytic converter out of your truck keep you out of poverty?

I don't agree with his sentiment, but some people find it unfair that California basically requires every car sold in the US to come with a $1000 part to control pollution. The argument is that California regulations shouldn't set the price of cars in Mississippi.

Aren't catalytic converters installed to meet federal emission standards? They might not be explicitly mandated, but in practice you can't meet the standards without one. In which case it's just a factually false statement.

Re: Why Palladium Is Suddenly a More Precious Metal

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post #25

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I don't agree with his sentiment, but some people find it unfair that California basically requires every car sold in the US to come with a $1000 part to control pollution. The argument is that California regulations shouldn't set the price of cars in Mississippi.

I am quite literally astonished to learn today that there is any first world country where catalytic converters are not required equipment.

Cats are required everywhere, but in CA they need to contain much more precious metals to meet the state standards than they would for just the national requirements. Most automakers choose to standardize on CA emissions standards nationally.

> The California Air Resources Board (CARB) is stricter on their regulations. CARB requires more precious metals and rigorous testing which is why they cost more than EPA catalytic converters.

https://autoquarterly.com/best-catalytic-converters/#Federal...

Re: Why Palladium Is Suddenly a More Precious Metal

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post #31

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I can’t believe people are stupid enough to think california regulations set the price of cars in other states, because they literally don’t.

The biggest markets set the price for the smallest

Tough luck? Sounds like people complaining about big government requiring them to have catalytic converters want big government to regulate markets so they don’t have to have catalytic converters.

Quite impressive cognitive dissonance.

Re: Why Palladium Is Suddenly a More Precious Metal

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I consulted for an automobile manufacturer that was looking to acquire a new catalytic converter start-up. One of the main reasons for their interest was the fact that this new catalytic converter used 30% less palladium than the next leading product. The other was because of the looming fleet fuel efficiency requirements. If the total fleet fuel efficiency was below the target, the companies would get fined for emis…

>> since catalytic converts could also improve fuel efficiency.

For curious, I think this is because fuel economy and complete/proper combustion are directly at odds with each other. Better MPG means nastier exhaust, so a better catalytic converter will help clean that up. OP?

Re: Why Palladium Is Suddenly a More Precious Metal

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post #36
post #25

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I am quite literally astonished to learn today that there is any first world country where catalytic converters are not required equipment.

Cats are required everywhere, but in CA they need to contain much more precious metals to meet the state standards than they would for just the national requirements. Most automakers choose to standardize on CA emissions standards nationally. > The California Air Resources Board (CARB) is stricter on their regulations. CARB requires more precious metals and rigorous testing which is why they cost more than EPA cataly…

Not only are they required but CA requires $pecific ones with their CARB seal of approval. I had an older car from outside CA that never needed to comply with CA’s rules. When I moved to CA I tried to do the right thing by installing a working cat and tuning my car so it did not pollute. Got it to blow clean as a whistle but the state still failed me because it wasn’t one of their expensive approved devices. Ended up having to sell it out of state because CA labeled my car as “tampered.” You cant win with these guys.
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