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EU agrees Brexit extension to 31 January

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Re: EU agrees Brexit extension to 31 January

#31

Post by no1youknowz »

mcv wrote: post #15
yostrovs wrote: post #3

It's a crisis of democracy when the people voted so clearly and they're not given what they voted for. They're being slowly ignored by the political class.

I'm not sure what you think people voted so clearly on. No vote has ever been very clear about what the people wanted concerning Brexit. There has never been a public vote on a hard Brexit, merely on an intention to leave the EU, without any plan or specification about how. Many people campaigning for the Leave vote argued that the UK would stay in the common market, so you could easily argue that the people voted to…

> No vote has ever been very clear about what the people wanted concerning Brexit. There has never been a public vote on a hard Brexit, merely on an intention to leave the EU, without any plan or specification about how.

Please stop spreading fud. There are many videos that I can post which have many MPs stating that a leave vote means:

- Leaving the EU

- Leaving the single market

- Leaving the ECJ

- etc

Here are two examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MaYV778kgU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZas08SUtI

I'm sure there are more.

Saying that the British People didn't know what they were voting on is a myth that the remainders keep on perpetuating and it's simply not true.

Finally, if you don't agree. Please post some links opposing this post. Thanks.

Re: EU agrees Brexit extension to 31 January

#34

Post by ceejayoz »

no1youknowz wrote: post #31
mcv wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you think people voted so clearly on. No vote has ever been very clear about what the people wanted concerning Brexit. There has never been a public vote on a hard Brexit, merely on an intention to leave the EU, without any plan or specification about how. Many people campaigning for the Leave vote argued that the UK would stay in the common market, so you could easily argue that the people voted to…

> No vote has ever been very clear about what the people wanted concerning Brexit. There has never been a public vote on a hard Brexit, merely on an intention to leave the EU, without any plan or specification about how. Please stop spreading fud. There are many videos that I can post which have many MPs stating that a leave vote means: - Leaving the EU - Leaving the single market - Leaving the ECJ - etc Here are two…

One of the videos you cite says "we wouldn’t be able to be in the single market, we wouldn’t be able to be in the Customs Union".

Given that the latest proposed Withdrawal Agreement would leave Northern Ireland in the single market and Customs Union, it appears you're actually reinforcing the point that no one knew what they were actually voting for.

Re: EU agrees Brexit extension to 31 January

#35

Post by Zenst »

ceejayoz wrote: post #22
philwelch wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At no point would there have been a 2/3 majority to join the EU in the first place, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_C... Yes: 67.23%

The EU and the ECM (what was voted for back in 1975) are two different beasts.

Maastricht and Lisbon treaty would of been key changes in that transition that many countries had votes (and also revotes) upon. The UK, did not alas and it is pretty obvious that it should of.

Ironically, the children of 1975 era had no say in their future until 2016 and you can see how they voted. Also those that who in 1975 voted to join the ECM, turned out to be twice as likely to vote to leave the EU in 2016.

But the whole aspect of thresholds is one that does need some thought and equally turnout. Maybe voting should be compulsory? Maybe threshold standards need to be defined. After all, does the EU really want to have members who are not that commited to the goals?

Democracy is a fickle matter depending upon how you measure it.

Re: EU agrees Brexit extension to 31 January

#36

Post by ceejayoz »

vidanay wrote: post #33
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #12

At some point they should give the UK an indefinite extension so the UK can just remain in the process of leaving for the next several decades. There's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution...

Keep Calm and Brexit On.

Requesting extensions will eventually become part of the UK's ceremonial tradition, like dragging the Speaker.

Re: EU agrees Brexit extension to 31 January

#38

Post by cygx »

no1youknowz wrote: post #31
mcv wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what you think people voted so clearly on. No vote has ever been very clear about what the people wanted concerning Brexit. There has never been a public vote on a hard Brexit, merely on an intention to leave the EU, without any plan or specification about how. Many people campaigning for the Leave vote argued that the UK would stay in the common market, so you could easily argue that the people voted to…

> No vote has ever been very clear about what the people wanted concerning Brexit. There has never been a public vote on a hard Brexit, merely on an intention to leave the EU, without any plan or specification about how. Please stop spreading fud. There are many videos that I can post which have many MPs stating that a leave vote means: - Leaving the EU - Leaving the single market - Leaving the ECJ - etc Here are two…

To repeat, absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market

- Daniel Hannan, May 2015

Increasingly the Norway option looks the best for the UK

- Arron Banks, November 2015

https://youtube.com/watch?t=308&v=zzykce4oxII

https://twitter.com/arron_banks/status/682125949245206528

Re: EU agrees Brexit extension to 31 January

#39

Post by no1youknowz »

ceejayoz wrote: post #34
no1youknowz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No vote has ever been very clear about what the people wanted concerning Brexit. There has never been a public vote on a hard Brexit, merely on an intention to leave the EU, without any plan or specification about how. Please stop spreading fud. There are many videos that I can post which have many MPs stating that a leave vote means: - Leaving the EU - Leaving the single market - Leaving the ECJ - etc Here are two…

One of the videos you cite says "we wouldn’t be able to be in the single market, we wouldn’t be able to be in the Customs Union". Given that the latest proposed Withdrawal Agreement would leave Northern Ireland in the single market and Customs Union, it appears you're actually reinforcing the point that no one knew what they were actually voting for.

Yes, the proposed deal does do this. Because Boris just wants a quick win and then wants to say that Brexit is done and then wants to win a majority on december 12.

It's one thing to do what's best for the country and what 17.4 million people voted for. It's another thing entirely to do what's best for yourself (that being boris)

Re: EU agrees Brexit extension to 31 January

#40

Post by ceejayoz »

no1youknowz wrote: post #39
ceejayoz wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the videos you cite says "we wouldn’t be able to be in the single market, we wouldn’t be able to be in the Customs Union". Given that the latest proposed Withdrawal Agreement would leave Northern Ireland in the single market and Customs Union, it appears you're actually reinforcing the point that no one knew what they were actually voting for.

Yes, the proposed deal does do this. Because Boris just wants a quick win and then wants to say that Brexit is done and then wants to win a majority on december 12. It's one thing to do what's best for the country and what 17.4 million people voted for. It's another thing entirely to do what's best for yourself (that being boris)

So, again, the deal that's on the table is not the one that was voted for. By your own evidence!
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