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A historian's critique of popular conceptions of witchcraft

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Re: A historian's critique of popular conceptions of witchcraft

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>> Many modern witches style themselves as goddess-worshippers, but in medieval and early modern witchcraft spells, the Virgin Mary plays a much bigger role. She is referenced far more often than any goddess. I believe the Virgin Mary is considered to be an aspect of the goddess, like other female deities and divine figures: Aphrodite, Ishtar, Freya, Bast, Kali, etc. In that sense, there is no incongruity.

Because Catholicism isn't really Christian before Trent. The whole point of the article is that magic was conjoined to Catholicism not opposed to it. Saints are small gods. What it doesnt discuss is the way Erasmus and Luther and Calvin and ultimately the church itself reformulated Christianity in the process starting the witch trials.

Re: A historian's critique of popular conceptions of witchcraft

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I think that while there's a lot of informationally isolated pagans out there who still buy into the "burning times", hidden matriarchal religion, pagan survivals in folk customs, etc etc stuff, anyone who's well informed knows that all that has been shown to be 19th-century romanticism at work. So what is left is a contemporary mystery religion founded in the 1940s by a charismatic man, that borrows aesthetics from…

> I welcome the idea of learning from the past rather than imposing romantic fantasies over it, but that doesn't mean the past is where everything of value resides. If you think religions relate to real things, rather than purely being a human construct, then those things have agency of their own, and exist in the present day. Authenticity, then, becomes about the strength of connection.

I see them as instructive in inducing certain mind states, similar to mindfulness, that allow one to perceive reality through a different lens. You will see angels and demons when ingesting psychedelics, that take on attributes of your own psyche.

Re: A historian's critique of popular conceptions of witchcraft

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard it put this way: neo-paganism is 99% neo 1% pagan.

And reconstruction is about 50-50, because they do their best but archeology honestly doesn't know the answers.

I have a strong opinion that Indo-European polythiestic religions have a common mythical and structural framework. So it would be easier to revive any of them by studying and borrowing back from the vast sample of such religions

Re: A historian's critique of popular conceptions of witchcraft

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And reconstruction is about 50-50, because they do their best but archeology honestly doesn't know the answers.

I have a strong opinion that Indo-European polythiestic religions have a common mythical and structural framework. So it would be easier to revive any of them by studying and borrowing back from the vast sample of such religions

They have commonality of roots but they barely resemble each other.

To give an example, Dis Pater, Jupiter, Deus, Zeus, and possibly Tiw are variations of the same name and identity after many centuries of divergence.

Re: A historian's critique of popular conceptions of witchcraft

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I gotta say I don't get the article. The paragraph with the quote by Dakota Bracciale about witchcraft being practiced by people who were outliers -- may or may not be true. But how does this claim impunity for magical attacks, as the author states? Some witchcraft was practiced by rich and famous people -- they wrote about it in books -- and some of them attacked people magically (or tried to depending on what you b…

I fought very hard through that same paragraph as you did, and finally think I figured it out.

The author is upset that modern witches are appropriating from Christianity the "Good vs. Evil" narrative. Calling Trump evil, or saying Hillary is in a satanic cult is equally lacking in sophistication in the authors view.

Pre-Christian paganism, was able to practice religion without framing everything in a binary Good vs Evil debate, and that appears to have been lost in the modern movement. The Green Knight and the Beowulf example are magical forces more closely resembling forces of nature, rather than evils that must be overcome.

Apologies if I am misrepresenting the argument. In my opinion the 'women hating women' element in the authors piece was not central to the argument they were making in this paragraph, and would have fit better in other places further down the essay.

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