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Do you know any doctors or medical school students? Ask them how well they would have learned about the human body if they didn't have cadavers to learn with.
The medical school is paying anyway for that body, $50k or whatever. So why not directly pay the family if the deceased instead of a middle man?
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#32How come you can only be an organ donor or nothing at all? Why is it not possible for your family to sell your body? I'm positive that it would flood the market with bodies and drive the value of your body down, but would at least still cover funeral services. It would be nice if you could even select what you want to donate and sell, such as sell your skin and donate your organs.
I'm not saying I like this current system either, I but I could definitely see some downsides to letting people legally sell bodies for profit. It certainly seems chilling to me that people could have serious conversation about "what to do with grandma" if you have to consider not only how much it costs to take care of her, but also how much you could stand to be paid for her. It opens up a lot of unpleasant doors, b…
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#34I must say, that the utilitarian views on corpse harvesting are to me, appalling. The thought of someone I cared profoundly for, having their form indifferently, irreverently butchered for anything other than pure, noble science or directly life-critical purposes is wretched, and even then... It appears that an argument is being made that such procedures benefit some, who even if able to survive without, are entitled and that it fills a market niche and therefore it's perfectly fine. If a case can be made for justifying cosmetic harvesting beyond the will of the departed, it doesn't seem drastically more extreme to propose an industry for necrophilia or necro-voyeurism or any other taboo having only ideological consequences. The same reasoning could be applied, with arguments both for and against being mostly of subjective values. I'd rather not.
I hope those who view existence and its every detail from macro to micro exclusively through the lens of cold science and economy can pause to consider either that some others don't, or find a suitable formulaic substitute for empathy. Assuming ownership and control of someone's (formerly) most intimate personal property, ie body, might not be as agreeable as you think.
1. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-nov-02-mn-49420...
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#35Perhaps there needs to be an additional option; eg a) Organ Donor vs b) Science Donor, and some redefinition of the former to preclude post mortem pecuniary feasting. Most certainly, strict policy is needed to prevent harvesting without consent, which may be an issue more often than expected [1]. I must say, that the utilitarian views on corpse harvesting are to me, appalling. The thought of someone I cared profoundl…
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#36I don't mind my body being ground up and used for penis plumper. I do want my family to get a big cut of that if it's selling for a grand per teaspoon.
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I'm not saying I like this current system either, I but I could definitely see some downsides to letting people legally sell bodies for profit. It certainly seems chilling to me that people could have serious conversation about "what to do with grandma" if you have to consider not only how much it costs to take care of her, but also how much you could stand to be paid for her. It opens up a lot of unpleasant doors, b…
What stops a medical provider right now from letting someone die because they stand to profit more than if care is given to keep the patient alive?
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I mean, for a lot people, I imagine there isn't a difference. I'm going to remain an organ donor. It is said that Diogenes, when asked how he wished to be buried, left instructions to be thrown outside the city wall so wild animals could feast on his body. When asked if he minded this, he said, "Not at all, as long as you provide me with a stick to chase the creatures away!" When asked how he could use the stick sinc…
How we treat the dead has a profound effect on those that are still living. If we just ground up your loved ones on death and turned them into fertilizer or corn feed for cows you might have a very dim view about life. Funerals aren’t for the dead, they are for the living.
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#39Perhaps there needs to be an additional option; eg a) Organ Donor vs b) Science Donor, and some redefinition of the former to preclude post mortem pecuniary feasting. Most certainly, strict policy is needed to prevent harvesting without consent, which may be an issue more often than expected [1]. I must say, that the utilitarian views on corpse harvesting are to me, appalling. The thought of someone I cared profoundl…
Then I hope you never learn of Chinese organ harvesting farms.
We may not be as different from China as we prefer to think. Rather than state sanctioned, ours will be corporately so. Social credit system is coming here soon too.
1. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cash-connections-can-get-a-kidn...
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What stops a medical provider right now from letting someone die because they stand to profit more than if care is given to keep the patient alive?
On top of fear of malpractice suits and general well intention of doctors and nurses, medical providers make a lot more money from the provision of services than from being corpse brokers.
Depending on who is paying the bills, it may not be very profitable, if at all, to provide services. Especially after cost of money considerations are factored in due to how long it can take to actually receive payment.