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“Dune” Endures (2013)

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Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

#31
No book with an Iron Maiden song made in its tribute qualifies as "not having penetrated the popular culture." It's merely taken a path through the culture more befitting its challenging material.

It is not a book for tawdry conventions and endless merchandising. It is a book for parents to introduce to their children, with a sly smile, on a free weekend, when they have come of age.

It's the progressive rock of science fiction novels. ;-)

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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post #3

You can download the original Dune game and play it on your macbook: https://gamesnostalgia.com/game/dune One of my all time favorite games, played it on the amiga originally

Interestingly both dune and dune 2 were released around the same time and both are amazing. Dune 2 created the rts genre while Dune was a wonderful combination of adventure and strategy. For Dune, I'd recommend the CD version https://www.freegameempire.com/games/Dune-CD There's a great series of articles on Filfre about both games and the Dune universe https://www.filfre.net/2018/11/controlling-the-spice-part-1-...

While it's true Dune popularized the RTS genre it wasn't close to the first. I'm sure this one is also not the first but here's Combat Leader for the Atari 800 from 1983

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G5CEA_P9Hc

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> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…

> Fear is the mind killer? "Fear is the mind-killer," whispers Paul Atreides. "So is this movie," groaned the critics. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/th...

There are some fan edits that improve the movie dramatically. My preference is "Alternative Edition Redux". It used to be available archive.org, though I'm sure it's still floating around the net somewhere.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

#34
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> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…

"Wheels within wheels" is a biblical reference. https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/1-16.htm Edit: It comes up in country songs sometimes, e.g. https://youtu.be/g6a9sYiBtlM?t=539

And here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_VsfvRaF5s

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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post #7

> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…

These phrases are probably much more popular among the Hacker News reading crowd than the broader culture, I would bet.

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Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

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> Catchphrases from the book have not entered the language. The spice must flow? Fear is the mind killer? Christopher Walken dancing to Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice" includes the phrase "Walk without a rhythm, you won't attract the worm". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCDIYvFmgW8 Maybe to a lesser extent, "He who controls the spice controls the universe", "wheels within wheels", and the gom jabbar are all things…

These phrases are probably much more popular among the Hacker News reading crowd than the broader culture, I would bet.

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Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

#37

Author seems overly dismissive of the sequels. While they aren’t as great as the first, many of them are still very good books with interesting ideas. The stuff written by others (not Frank Herbert) on the other hand, does seem to be dreck based on my sampling.

The prequels written by his son and Co are not as great but they are easier material to be converted into movie format which will attract more people to the story.

Unfortunately the original books of Frank Herbert are really hard to convert into movie / TV format and that's why Dune never became as popular as star wars. Part of the reason is the inner narrative and attention to details like facial expressions. Actually what makes the books great is what's stopping them from becoming mainstream.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

#39
It's funny how prescient some of the people in the sixties and seventies were. I'd lump Alvin Toffler alongside Frank Herbertm personally. They both had a somewhat weird point about the future (Herbert was kind of looking at a macro level through Paul, Toffler was kind of thinking about something similar at the individual level), and I think they're both slowly being proven right in a way.

Re: “Dune” Endures (2013)

#40
> “Dune” ’s lack of true fandom among science-fiction fans

I'm not sure what sci-fi fans he's hanging out with...

> This de-emphasis on technology

There is de-emphasis on thinking technology -- there is still "magic level" technology everywhere else.

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