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When Chinese Employees Ask for Justice, Facebook Silence Their Voices

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Re: When Chinese Employees Ask for Justice, Facebook Silence Their Voices

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Is his suicide linked to some kind of maltreatment of Chinese employees at Facebook? The article doesn't make that clear.

Not mistreat Chinese employee per say. The individual is operating under big stress, and the manager is deliberately playing politics to prevent him switching teams, threatening to put his job at jeperody. I don't feel like this is engineered to target Chinese. But if all proven, Facebook's internal culture seems fucked up...Maybe that is why it doesn't want even its employees to talk about it.

That's usually SOP at companies which have suicides. Suicidal ideation is contagious. They'll bring in a grief counselor, and encourage you to talk to them, instead.

Re: When Chinese Employees Ask for Justice, Facebook Silence Their Voices

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post #27

It's quite the lengthy article but the crux of what they believe led to his suicide is here: Relevant sources unveiled that before Mr. Chen’s last PSC, he had already been under pressure from the advertising department, so he expected to shift to other groups to maintain his job in Facebook and the opportunity to work in the United States. According to informed sources told PingWest that, Mr. Chen’s group had undergo…

Man, I can't imagine working in such an environment. It feels so detached to normal human interaction.

Couple questions as I don't (and largely have no intention to) work in Silicon Valley:

- Shouldn't the bar for transfers be roughly the same as the bar for initial employment? As in, give the candidates a similar interview process as if they were coming outside of the company into that team? Why would a transfer be based on the current manager, who is already disincentivized to allow the employee to switch teams?

- > Mr. Chen tried to push the deadline to be delayed but another bot monitoring the SEV rejected the change

Maybe someone who works at FB can clear this up but how does this work? A bot opens a ticket, dev attempts to change a dropdown field and another bot decides whether to revert or not? Or is there a human involved, and do they have override powers?

Re: When Chinese Employees Ask for Justice, Facebook Silence Their Voices

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Is his suicide linked to some kind of maltreatment of Chinese employees at Facebook? The article doesn't make that clear.

agree, more correct article title seems to me to be:

"When Employees Ask for Justice, Facebook Silence Their Voices, here's an example featuring some Chinese people"

Re: When Chinese Employees Ask for Justice, Facebook Silence Their Voices

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post #27

It's quite the lengthy article but the crux of what they believe led to his suicide is here: Relevant sources unveiled that before Mr. Chen’s last PSC, he had already been under pressure from the advertising department, so he expected to shift to other groups to maintain his job in Facebook and the opportunity to work in the United States. According to informed sources told PingWest that, Mr. Chen’s group had undergo…

Man, I can't imagine working in such an environment. It feels so detached to normal human interaction. Couple questions as I don't (and largely have no intention to) work in Silicon Valley: - Shouldn't the bar for transfers be roughly the same as the bar for initial employment? As in, give the candidates a similar interview process as if they were coming outside of the company into that team? Why would a transfer be…

> Shouldn't the bar for transfers be roughly the same as the bar for initial employment? As in, give the candidates a similar interview process as if they were coming outside of the company into that team? Why would a transfer be based on the current manager, who is already disincentivized to allow the employee to switch teams?

1. This allows internal transfers to avoid reinterviewing. I think many would agree that going through the same interview process is not productive, especially with the types of interview questions asked at FB (predominantly Leetcode style). This reflects FB's standard hiring process for engineers, where engineers are hired into a "general" pipeline and not to a specific team, with the implication that once they pass FB's interview, they are qualified to work on basically any team. The performance requirements are there so that engineers cannot just change teams every time they perform poorly.

2. I think the incentives are intended such that the very worst case for a manager is being forced to fire an employee for poor performance -- it means the manager was unable to help the employee improve their performance. Having them transfer within the company reflects much better on the manager. In practice, this may not be true in all situations.

In the general / common case, this system is great for engineers in terms of internal mobility.

Re: When Chinese Employees Ask for Justice, Facebook Silence Their Voices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not mistreat Chinese employee per say. The individual is operating under big stress, and the manager is deliberately playing politics to prevent him switching teams, threatening to put his job at jeperody. I don't feel like this is engineered to target Chinese. But if all proven, Facebook's internal culture seems fucked up...Maybe that is why it doesn't want even its employees to talk about it.

That's usually SOP at companies which have suicides. Suicidal ideation is contagious. They'll bring in a grief counselor, and encourage you to talk to them , instead.

Well, yes and no

Suicide is one thing. But Facebook's refusal to change anything as regarding to the cause of this employee's passing is jarring, for stuff like fire fast, highly stressful Sev meeting and etc, and super high peer pressure.

Even Amazon does change its way of handling internal transfer after employee's attempted suicide.

Not to mention there are Facebook employees defending on other places, claiming this is nothing burger, because Facebook's suicide rate is below national average, which ironically signals the issue is indeed internal and not normal.

Re: When Chinese Employees Ask for Justice, Facebook Silence Their Voices

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This article appears to have some fundamental misunderstandings. Their description of the review system is not stack ranking, in which employees are ranked in a hierarchy and the lowest on the totem are fired. Instead, the "meets/exceeds" scale has been pretty standard wherever I've worked. Further, it seems that FB HR asked the source of this article to not speak to the press about an internal event that involved a…

Why should you take the companies advice to stay quiet when you believe they're the ones who were at fault?

Exactly. We wouldn't expect silence from a factory worker who saw working conditions contribute to the death of a coworker, so why should we expect it from a tech worker who witnesses the same?

Facebook trying to suppress this worker's voice is morally abhorrent.

Re: When Chinese Employees Ask for Justice, Facebook Silence Their Voices

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post #27

It's quite the lengthy article but the crux of what they believe led to his suicide is here: Relevant sources unveiled that before Mr. Chen’s last PSC, he had already been under pressure from the advertising department, so he expected to shift to other groups to maintain his job in Facebook and the opportunity to work in the United States. According to informed sources told PingWest that, Mr. Chen’s group had undergo…

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Re: When Chinese Employees Ask for Justice, Facebook Silence Their Voices

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a meets/exceeds scale becomes stack ranking when the proportion of different ranks is capped so that even if everybody on a team did well, some would have to be given the lowest ranking

“Meets most” is just the politically correct version of PIP or “you should look for other jobs now”

that's "meets some". Meets most means you have 1 or 2 secondary axes you need to fix
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