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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by kevin_b_er »

Deryl Morey has learned the power Chinese Communist Interests have over his human rights. China has instilled fear in the NBA that they must kowtow or suffer monetarily. None of them are allowed to question the crimes against humanity the CPC commits on its own people.

The NBA has a choice between human rights and money. Of course they chose money. US culture has been designed around money and greed so long it has forgotten principals it was supposedly founded on. Sure we fought a civil war over human rights vs greed, but that was a long time ago. After right-wing interests outsourced all the production and jobs for money in the past few decades, Steve Jobs was right: Those jobs aren't coming back.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by 5trokerac3 »

madiathomas wrote: post #22
SimbaOnSteroids wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's talking about China, don't be obtuse, America, while being horrendous abroad, is no where near as bad as China would be in Americas position if the treatment of their own subjects is any indication.

In what world is US better than China? China doesn't travel to other countries and directly kill millions of civilians like the United States. This website is so shitty when coming to defending the United States. I don't know why I continue to waste my time reading shitty pro-US propaganda on this website.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Consequence...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System#Implicati...

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-xinjiang-prisoners-bli...

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/02/ch...

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by yummypaint »

i_am_nomad wrote: post #24

The NBA boycotted North Carolina over HB2 (the “bathroom bill”), but doesn’t have a problem doing business in China. I hope they go bankrupt.

Exactly this. They have no claim of neutrality or being apolitical. They have already demonstrated that losing money for the sake of attacking lgbt rights is a sacrifice they're willing to make. The values of team owners and major nba stakeholders are already more in line with the ccp than the american public, so let them choke on our scorn. It's our collective responsibility to do them enough financial damage that this becomes a learning experience.

Re: NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by johnchristopher »

nostromo wrote: post #14

It's not much of a dilemma though, is it? Already-rich folks kowtowing to fascists for a quick buck is beyond pathetic. US companies should stop targeting China for growth. If they don't steal your IP completely, they'll eventually freeze you out like they just did the NBA. It's happened to many companies and will eventually happen to you too. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

What if it impacts US citizen's pension funds or other (public?) investing strategies ? It's not like financial assets aren't intermixed.

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Post by big_chungus »

jakeva wrote: post #11
behringer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anybody play sports then?

Not that I agree with the original, but that's a bit like asking why would anybody play music or make art (activities that rarely involve money)? Because they enjoy it.

Certain people would of course still do so. But of comparable scale and quality? Maybe a few, truly-committed souls, but there would certainly be an impact. Without money, even if an artist produces one work, he will quite possibly lack the means to produce another.

There is the argument that what the market wants is not always the "best" or "most innovative", but the value of art is basically determined by a "market" (even if the artist seeks validation rather than $$). It's a subjective matter, so such a problem is somewhat inherent.

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Post by ellius »

munk-a wrote: post #23
tw04 wrote: post #20

The NBA really needs to grow a spine on this one. They have nothing to lose but incremental profits and in the long run China will lose. It will just be one more reminder for the populace that their current government restricts them from luxuries the rest of the world gets to experience. And if that doesn't bother them, good riddance I guess, it's not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league th…

They have everything to lose and it's quite sane for them to back down from this fight. The NBA isn't our government, just because our politicians are spineless and fawning doesn't mean companies need to take up the fight. That all said it'd be awesome if they chose to push back even though it's entirely destructive to themselves.

Why is it any less the responsibility of American businessmen than American politicians? We're a nation of free people, and we all share in both the benefits and responsibilities of freedom. You don't get to pretend to be an American and then put your head in the sand and say, "Oh I'm just a businessman." If that's your first loyalty then fine, but at least be straight about it and don't try to have it both ways with this "we love free expression but the dollars, sorry" crap.

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Post by nugget »

nostromo wrote: post #14

It's not much of a dilemma though, is it? Already-rich folks kowtowing to fascists for a quick buck is beyond pathetic. US companies should stop targeting China for growth. If they don't steal your IP completely, they'll eventually freeze you out like they just did the NBA. It's happened to many companies and will eventually happen to you too. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

>Already-rich folks kowtowing to fascists for a quick buck is beyond pathetic.

Most NBA team owners are already billionaires. I believe most of them are self-made and have signed the giving pledge, meaning they will donate much of their wealth to charities at or before their death. If anyone can afford to take a stand, it would seem to be them.

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Post by ivankolev »

tw04 wrote: post #20

The NBA really needs to grow a spine on this one. They have nothing to lose but incremental profits and in the long run China will lose. It will just be one more reminder for the populace that their current government restricts them from luxuries the rest of the world gets to experience. And if that doesn't bother them, good riddance I guess, it's not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league th…

They are taking a stance: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/media/nba-adam-silver/index.h...
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