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US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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Name and shame companies who bow to Chinese censors https://github.com/caffeine-overload/bandinchina (Repo named after south park episode)

I think you might be the owner of the repo so I'd suggest here instead of there. I think this could be a wikipedia page, and sources could be added.

"There is" is more accurate.

"There is a separate whitelist here (as link)" would probably be clearest.

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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I feel a whole lot of repression is going to happen as people learn they can’t even be themselves in their personal life without somehow hurting the feelings of someone they haven’t even spoke to who has the power to get them terminated.

Well, there is private and public then there is personal and professional. It's like a matrix. Things you do publicly have long had the ability to affect your personal and professional life. Public just now has the ability to go global and not be forgotten which is something new. If you post it on Twitter for everyone to see it's not your private life. It's public. This is now paired with a change in attitude. There…

It would be interesting to look back at how this is playing out from the vantage of 10 or 15 years.

I could see an attitude like:

- Sure, people do dumb things on social media especially when they're in college etc. No one cares.

I could also see:

- Those fools. Who is so stupid as to associate their real identity with social media accounts? (Of course, since you can't keep other people from posting, it's a little hard to see this happening.)

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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In two words: bite me. there aren't too many things that i'm a raving aboslutist about, but the freedom of political speech is one of them. If my employer attempts to step on my neck for saying things about china that china doesn't like, on my time, and my personal accounts, their next contact from me will be from an ACLU lawyer.

China wants us all to not say bad things about China. It doesn't want to stop oppressing the Uighurs. It doesn't want to give any freedom to Hong Kong. It just wants us to shut up about them doing these things.

Forget. That. Noise.

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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That's like saying "until US president is elected, talking about elections is a clickbait speculation". Policies are born out of speculation about the future, and public speculation (aka debate) about what is going to happen can influence them. We see evidence (NBA, Blizzard, Apple, Mariott, Gap, etc.) of US companies prostrating themselves before Chinese censorship. It is reasonable to discuss this phenomena and spe…

Are you proposing that a majority of election coverage is not clickbait speculation? Have you actually watched any election coverage? There is plenty of real coverage that takes place, but it doesn't fill a 24-hour news cycle. It consists of things like direct quotes of what candidates actually said and things they actually did. The rest of it is filled with guesses about hypothetical policies they might adopt and wh…

There's a difference between "a lot of coverage of X is clickbait" and "any coverage of X is clickbait because X has not happened yet". The former is likely true, the latter is obviously false.

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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AFAIK, political speech is not protected against employer discrimination.

If it isn't explicitly not protected though, there could still be a fun case to deal with.

For precision's sake, it should be pointed out that it is explicitly not protected in a lot of cases. This is due to the fact that a lot of people sign papers that they never read when they start at many corporations.

The correct play here, is to get the word out that people need to review every single paper they sign and line out the clauses that allow dismissal for bringing yourself or the company into public disrepute. People have to understand that they shouldn't be just signing away their rights like that.

The ACLU can't protect you if you've signed these kinds of contracts.

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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Name and shame companies who bow to Chinese censors https://github.com/caffeine-overload/bandinchina (Repo named after south park episode)

I think you might be the owner of the repo so I'd suggest here instead of there. I think this could be a wikipedia page, and sources could be added.

This would be an excellent Wikipedia page. Fantastic idea!

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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The title of this article is designed to trigger the target audience before they even open the link.

Agreed. There's really no new information here, just that a reporter got someone from an institute to speculate on corporate social media policy.

"speculate"

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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In two words: bite me. there aren't too many things that i'm a raving aboslutist about, but the freedom of political speech is one of them. If my employer attempts to step on my neck for saying things about china that china doesn't like, on my time, and my personal accounts, their next contact from me will be from an ACLU lawyer.

I know there are companies that try to tread lightly especially when they have sizable mainlander ranks and go to pains to try to not offend. And we obviously don’t want to speak to the people at large, but I definitely think we should have no qualms about calling out behavior of the Chinese gov as we do the Russian gov. It’s such a contrast for Russian expats and Chinese expats and how company wide comms go out aski…

Part of the deal is that the Chinese are much more hypersensitive than the Russians. The Chinese seem to have a deep inferiority complex about their country (a couple centuries of being over-run by foreigners can do that to you), and they are responding by aggressively trying to shut down any criticism whatsoever of China.

But strong nations don't need to do that. Weak nations do. Russia is actually stronger than China here, because Russia doesn't feel like they have to stop all criticism.

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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I remember when news used to tell you about things that did happen instead of things that might happen. Until a company actually does this, this is just clickbait speculation.

The NBA recently [1] condemned an employee's post on Twitter in support of the Hong Kong protesters - shortly after the tweet was deleted and an apology was issued by the employee. While there is not proof of coercion it is strongly implied. Leaks [2] also indicated that the employee's immediate termination was strongly considered.

SIGNIFICANT EDIT: it seems the NBA has walked back and is now supporting the employee in question, as a consequence China has banned all NBA broadcasts in the country.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21176976

[2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/deawtd/gonzalez_as_a_c...

[3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/dewiuy/yu_fu_cctv_anno...

Re: US workers may have to change social media use as firms adapt to China's rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know there are companies that try to tread lightly especially when they have sizable mainlander ranks and go to pains to try to not offend. And we obviously don’t want to speak to the people at large, but I definitely think we should have no qualms about calling out behavior of the Chinese gov as we do the Russian gov. It’s such a contrast for Russian expats and Chinese expats and how company wide comms go out aski…

Part of the deal is that the Chinese are much more hypersensitive than the Russians. The Chinese seem to have a deep inferiority complex about their country (a couple centuries of being over-run by foreigners can do that to you), and they are responding by aggressively trying to shut down any criticism whatsoever of China. But strong nations don't need to do that. Weak nations do. Russia is actually stronger than Chi…

Maybe but Russia has had a history of being weak and controlled as well as being a target for colonization by two at the time super powers of Europe with visions of grandeur.

They also likely feel “victimized” as losers of the Cold War... (though wrongly).

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