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Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by curt15 »

hdfbdtbcdg wrote: post #9
curt15 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if there were more people like Kim Peek who could recall anything they read, like a walking, talking, search engine, should they be muzzled online?

If what they say breaks a law yes. For example in the UK the rehabilitation of offenders act means that once a crime is spent it is an offence to discuss publish information about the crime. This is a classic instance where right to be forgotten is used.

>For example in the UK the rehabilitation of offenders act means that once a crime is spent it is an offence to discuss publish information about the crime.

But in that case, wouldn't a news website that provides its archives of old crime stories for the public to read be guilty of that offence? If certain information is illegal to be disseminated, why isn't its actual source held liable or otherwise subject to takedown?

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by notimetorelax »

umvi wrote: post #14
iamtheworstdev wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who benefits if we legally create the ability to delete history?

criminals and politicians, mainly

I think of this as something similar to the ability to expunge court records. It allows people to move on from their mistakes. Of course as everything it can be abused.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by Kuinox »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #11
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #3

Genuine question: Who benefits when everything we ever do, say, etc. is permanently recorded on a grand, systemtic level?

Who benefits if we legally create the ability to delete history?

People victim of the internet, because they did something bad(or rumor about). Then shitty "news" pop about it, the victim loose his job, and can't get another one because any other recruiter will type "FirstName Last name" on Google and find article about the rumor.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by thfuran »

umvi wrote: post #29
kd3 wrote: post #23

What about my right to remember?? What right does anyone else have to demand that you forget something? Do they have more say about your body than you yourself? If so, you are a slave. When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember?

> When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember? Yes, but only if it is possible to index/search/dump the contents of people's brains. In that case we are walking video cameras violating people's privacy everywhere we go, and it is only logical that we should mandate people get their brains wiped of privacy infringing information. How would you like it if peopl…

>How would you like it if people sold information about you based on what they saw and heard you do in public

I wouldn't like it but I wouldn't want it to be illegal either.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by nordsieck »

umvi wrote: post #29
kd3 wrote: post #23

What about my right to remember?? What right does anyone else have to demand that you forget something? Do they have more say about your body than you yourself? If so, you are a slave. When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember?

> When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember? Yes, but only if it is possible to index/search/dump the contents of people's brains. In that case we are walking video cameras violating people's privacy everywhere we go, and it is only logical that we should mandate people get their brains wiped of privacy infringing information. How would you like it if peopl…

> How would you like it if people sold information about you based on what they saw and heard you do in public?

You mean like PIs?

> That is a gross violation of your privacy and illegal theft of your data.

Most people don't like it, but it's certainly not illegal.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by EpicEng »

hdfbdtbcdg wrote: post #9
curt15 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if there were more people like Kim Peek who could recall anything they read, like a walking, talking, search engine, should they be muzzled online?

If what they say breaks a law yes. For example in the UK the rehabilitation of offenders act means that once a crime is spent it is an offence to discuss publish information about the crime. This is a classic instance where right to be forgotten is used.

Some* crimes anyway.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by taffer »

waynesonfire wrote: post #18

I was recently browsing the terms and agreements of a Swiss online merchant and stumbled upon this, 'Swiss law requires us to archive business data for 10+ years. This means that we do not have the right to "forget" you.' [1] It's unclear to me how Europeans have a right to be forgotten given the above. [1] https://www.swissmicros.com/terms.php

This is why laws have exceptions, e.g. one has the right to require that information about oneself be deleted, unless there is another law that requires the retention of the information.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by VBprogrammer »

Hitton wrote: post #20
VBprogrammer wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking about the right to be forgotten just the other day. It reminds me of the line "democracy is the worst form of government, except from all of the others which we've tried". Imagine a young person who gets wrapped up in some illegal activity. 30 years later settled down with a wife and kids he goes for a job interview and the person across the desk happens to have googled his name. That to me doesn't fee…

The question is if you should defend the rights of the past offenders or current potential victim. Sure, there might be repercussions for past conduct, but at the end just one person is responsible for it. On the other hand you have potential victims who can't protect themselves by doing background check on potential perpetrator. If you prevent the victim from taking reasonable precautions, aren't you at least a litt…

Honestly I'm not sure. If you don't allow someone the opportunity to reform aren't you strong arming then into continuing their criminal behaviour?

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by s_dev »

kd3 wrote: post #23

What about my right to remember?? What right does anyone else have to demand that you forget something? Do they have more say about your body than you yourself? If so, you are a slave. When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember?

You can still remember -- you're just restricted from publishing or storing insecurely. Privacy effectively means the right to be left alone.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by thfuran »

hdfbdtbcdg wrote: post #9
curt15 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if there were more people like Kim Peek who could recall anything they read, like a walking, talking, search engine, should they be muzzled online?

If what they say breaks a law yes. For example in the UK the rehabilitation of offenders act means that once a crime is spent it is an offence to discuss publish information about the crime. This is a classic instance where right to be forgotten is used.

If it's already illegal, then I don't see how a right to be forgotten changes anything in that case.
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