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How the U.S. Hacked ISIS

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Re: How the U.S. Hacked ISIS

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I would hope that a country with the largest military industrial complex in the world can hack a group of camel herders in a desert. Doesn't seem particularly impressive

Camel herders in a desert assisted by Israel, one of the most technologically advanced countries.

Re: How the U.S. Hacked ISIS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I had the exact opposite reaction. Part of me wishes we divulged less about our tactics.

Assuming you're an American, you eventually have a civic duty to find out what they did so you can evaluate them. You can't wait forever, because once everyone involved has moved on far enough with their careers (or retired) it won't be possible for your evaluation to have any impact. Declassification has to happen at a reasonable speed in order for our system to work. Although I don't know, I think this story was re…

At the same time, if you're smart you'll notice the propaganda pieces circulated by AP on-behalf of USA.

One of them is Twitter. "identified accounts" but they aren't shut down or shunted. Why's that?

Simple - once you identify a target and they're vocalizing their thoughts, why do you want to limit and censor them? allow them to post, collect metadata and help it tie together other pieces of the puzzle.Browser ident, time, date, time of access, ip address, etc.

Meanwhile you'll see in the article a different reason as to inaction.

Re: How the U.S. Hacked ISIS

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I would hope that a country with the largest military industrial complex in the world can hack a group of camel herders in a desert. Doesn't seem particularly impressive

Bit crudely put, but it hasn't been the case that the US military has easily trounced small guerilla forces in ground combat (e.g. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Somali, etc.), so I assume the idea was to suggest that cyberwarfare works better?

Re: How the U.S. Hacked ISIS

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I wish articles like this would divulge some details of the technical side of hacking, rather than keep it a mystical field of study. What did they hack and how did they “get in”? Contrary to the title, there is little “how” and mostly “what”.

While I share your same streak of curiosity, unfortunately this is an area of life that opening up details of your own operations is probably most likely always a net negative. Get a TS/SCI and go work for CyberCommand if you want to be in the know.

That is a valid argument, but can be applied to any hush hush effort. But such "limited visibility" organizations often push to limit public control, after which their mission or methods may morph to support internal goals that may not be shared by the general public they were created to serve.

It would be naive to require that all government information is shared with the public, but we should maintain robust oversight on all clandestine activities and give that oversight teeth to correct problems when such activities to too far. My 2c.

Re: How the U.S. Hacked ISIS

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I dunno about this article... in the minor hacking I've done, it is tedious and boring. More like a homework research project than a swat team raid. If someone said "Fire!" to me I'd laugh.

Re: How the U.S. Hacked ISIS

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Interesting, but reads a bit like a bad Tom Clancy novel that I read when I was around 12. I think that "hacking a human" as they described it was the most likely vulnerability. Interesting to see that ISIS actually seem to have a decent infrastructure. From media reports you would believe that they are mainly some barbarians that may have or may have not access to electricity, never mind net access. That aside: NPR…

Nobody who has read anything serious about ISIS would think that. They were a nascent nation state, installing their own civil servants to run schools, infrastructure, etc. Their propaganda videos were nearly Hollywood level in production quality. They were barbarians in values, not capabilities. They were a massively serious organization and we got Mattis just in time to exterminate them.

Since when are they exterminated?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody who has read anything serious about ISIS would think that. They were a nascent nation state, installing their own civil servants to run schools, infrastructure, etc. Their propaganda videos were nearly Hollywood level in production quality. They were barbarians in values, not capabilities. They were a massively serious organization and we got Mattis just in time to exterminate them.

Since when are they exterminated?

I suppose that depends on if you're defining ISIS as a caliphate / nation-state, or as an organization / ideology.

Re: How the U.S. Hacked ISIS

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I wish articles like this would divulge some details of the technical side of hacking, rather than keep it a mystical field of study. What did they hack and how did they “get in”? Contrary to the title, there is little “how” and mostly “what”.

Is that not a double edged sword though? When you reveal sources and methods, you tell ISIS what to do differently. These sorts of things tend to be some of the most closely guarded secrets in the US.

Disclaimer: I had a security clearance when I was in the Army.

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