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Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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Just another article of predicting that China is going to collapse -- these kind of articles have been popping up since 1991.

China is just another big country with a lot of problems. So is US.

Even if China is really going to collapse, what is in it for average people in the US or other countries? To prove that the democracy you believe is correct -- even if that means nearly all the people in the world will suffer from economic slowdown?

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

#32
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Sure. If you're middle/upper class living in a wealthy country. But for the poorest and most vulnerable in our society they will experience hardships not seen since the Great Recession. And the inequality gap will rapidly widen which affects everyone.

I rather live in a world where the CCP failed and a bunch of poor people suffered than a world run by the CCP where 1/2 the world is at their mercy. America can be a tyrant but I believe the CCP would be much much worse.

> a bunch of poor people

By that, you mean you are championing the potential mass starvation and violent deaths of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people.... cool

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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post #18

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I rather live in a world where the CCP failed and a bunch of poor people suffered than a world run by the CCP where 1/2 the world is at their mercy. America can be a tyrant but I believe the CCP would be much much worse.

> a bunch of poor people By that, you mean you are championing the potential mass starvation and violent deaths of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people.... cool

> mass starvation and violent deaths of hundreds of thousands

America in its reign is responsible for that itself, it's also saved hundreds of thousands if not millions. So it's nothing new. Mao killed millions, was no big thing, and the modern CCP thinks that he's the reason for China's eventual success. CCP around for a hundred or more years something similar is bound to happen, just see what they are doing the Uigurs. So yeah that sort of rhetoric really doesn't fly in the face of political reality where empires kill and starve millions without batting an eye. WWII killed 55 million, and I don't regret that it happened. I wish it didn't have to happen this way, but I don't see any other way to curtail CCP's growth or power... if this does not happen then the most likely outcome is CCP will be triumphant and control the significant portion of the world for many years during which it will exercise its power and cost many people their lives and freedom.

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

#34

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If the alternative is China going unchecked and eating the world. I'll take the economic crash. I grew up in poverty and I'd rather go back to poverty than live under a dystopian surveillance dictatorship.

I want to imagine the world with China as a democracy only to assure the world that xenophobia is the first thing that comes to mind when people take an anti-China stance and as a reminder that Chinese culture, their arts, the land and the people are wonderful. I am against this dystopian overwhelmingly powerful and suppressive government. I imagine if 1989 was a turning moment for Democracy in China.

The wonderful culture and arts you're thinking about is historical. It doesn't really exist in China now. It was mostly wiped out during The Great Leap Forward, along with 30 million people give or take.

Fun fact: advanced Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners travel from China to Japan to learn. Japan preserved records of the TCM knowledge that China destroyed during the great leap.

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I want to imagine the world with China as a democracy only to assure the world that xenophobia is the first thing that comes to mind when people take an anti-China stance and as a reminder that Chinese culture, their arts, the land and the people are wonderful. I am against this dystopian overwhelmingly powerful and suppressive government. I imagine if 1989 was a turning moment for Democracy in China.

The wonderful culture and arts you're thinking about is historical. It doesn't really exist in China now. It was mostly wiped out during The Great Leap Forward, along with 30 million people give or take. Fun fact: advanced Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners travel from China to Japan to learn. Japan preserved records of the TCM knowledge that China destroyed during the great leap.

As well as many of their people...

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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If the political system in China collapses everyone should worry. That would likely result in a global economic crash the likes of which the world has never seen.

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You joke, but CCP is Communist in the name only.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there are still some die hard communists around that’d love to seize the power.

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Putin is popular, because he's better than what was before (i'm speaking mostly of the old drunk). And also because he does stuff that a lot of russians actually like. A lot of people (mostly westeners) don't understand, that if someone gets back "historic russian territory" from a "neighbor" you don't really like, and noone can do anything about that, that's a good thing for Russia. It's bad for the neighbors, it's…

Citation for that last paragraph? All I've seen is a shrinking coal industry leaving workers unpaid for their last month on the job[1], 25% tariffs slapped on our hardware imports [2] (causing a 30% drop in our sales) and kids being killed by Customs and Border Protection [3]. None of this is good for the USA or my fellow American 1 - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/us/kentucky-coal-miners.h... 2 - https://www.for…

Wish you'd asked for a citation for the whole dang comment. It's the exact kind of "sweet tasting" vitriol that has been sending people with a certain kind of persona into a feeding frenzy in countries all over the fucking planet. This phenomenon is a testament to how susceptible our collective amygdalae are to narrative manipulation. Doesn't matter how many historical precedents are exemplified, our species falls for it every time.

Re: Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices

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I don't understand what you mean. Corporations as a legal structure are built to compete & live or die, governments are not. The point of having political power is to control it for the sake of prosperity. Having a 'death clause' in your government worker's performance would mean you've failed as a political actor to get enough control to guarantee prosperity. That's a bigger threat to the gov than having useless emp…

> If you want a 'communist corporation', just give every employee shares Co-operatives in this form aren’t communist. They compete for members, vendors and customers. They don’t have a monopoly on violence. They can be held accountable by the rule of law. None of the above apply to communist governments. They have a monopoly on violence and the factors of production. That precludes an independent check on state power…

Yeah true. I was hoping the only thing of value people would see in communism is the egalitarian attitude towards the distribution of wealth. Communism is a political ideology, applying it to a corporation or business is going to lose it's political edge.
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