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It is nearly impossible to do so given the private nature of these numbers but having worked in the industry extensively I can tell you the returns are generally atrocious and that no one invests in VCs to be fiscally responsible in the traditional sense. Investors who put money in VC are generally so wealthy that by the time they are ready to invest in VC they have exhausted all other standard investment opportuniti…
Could you elaborate on what it means to have "exhausted all other standard investment opportunities like stocks, private investments in mature companies, personal trusts and real estate"? Is this due to some tax/estate laws?
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#321. A16Z has 17 funds, with varying degrees of investing angles (early stage, crypto, bio, etc). So trying to do a fund by fund analysis is unfair.
2. IRR can be deceiving as it's time based. Some LPs invest based on "X Return" or IRR, and so cherry-picking one over the other is disingenuous without mentioning the other.
3. The larger the fund, the harder it is to have a higher IRR. A16Z keeps growing the size of it's funds (latest is $1b+). There are just simply not enough good deals out there to deploy that amount of capital. This is just like growing your top line revenue 50% from $1M to $1.5M, vs 10% from $10 to $11M. The former appears to have be semantically "better performing growth", when actually you made $500k more than you did previously.
4. The fact that they, a VC firm, are even returning their money means LPs will continue to invest. VC as an "asset class" is notoriously underperforming, with exception to the top 10% of the firms (which A16Z would likely be). Which begs the question, "so what?".
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#34It seems like the more money you have, the harder it is to deploy it efficiently.
It would be interesting to know the influence of David Swensen (the CIO at Yale), who's put a large portion of their endowment into Private Equity and Venture Capital investment, and how other large funds might be mimicking his strategy.
People always compare VC vs the S&P500 but I wonder if there's a side benefit to VC in that it's not necessarily linked to stock market fluctuations.
Are VC returns in the aggregate going to turn to absolute crap over the next ten years as hundreds of new funds (with a new one popping up every day it seems) all grinding it out - or will we see the opposite, where a lot of these smaller funds have very successful first funds (partially constrained by the sizes they're initially able to raise), only to be dramatic underperformers as they raise second and third funds?
Finally, it seems like more money doesn't make for better results (past a point). The Vision Fund being example A.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is nearly impossible to do so given the private nature of these numbers but having worked in the industry extensively I can tell you the returns are generally atrocious and that no one invests in VCs to be fiscally responsible in the traditional sense. Investors who put money in VC are generally so wealthy that by the time they are ready to invest in VC they have exhausted all other standard investment opportuniti…
Could you elaborate on what it means to have "exhausted all other standard investment opportunities like stocks, private investments in mature companies, personal trusts and real estate"? Is this due to some tax/estate laws?
When you already have a few hundred million in stocks, bonds, etc, the marginal benefit to putting another few million into the bond market is completely irrelevant--it's a rounding error in the overall portfolio. But putting those few million into a venture capital fund has the potential to generate a noticeable return.
It can also insulate you against structural shifts in markets. If WeWork were to fundamentally change the global real estate market, or some new battery startup fundamentally changes the energy landscape, investors in the incumbents can be left with significantly devalued portfolios.
Having a piece of anything/everything that might become the "next be thing" is a hedge against that.
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Did people think a 44% return was sustainable?
And isn't 16% ans 12% still excellent? It seems better than almost anything else really...
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#38I don't have access to the full article, but from the lede this looks like not very well researched journalism: 1. A16Z has 17 funds, with varying degrees of investing angles (early stage, crypto, bio, etc). So trying to do a fund by fund analysis is unfair. 2. IRR can be deceiving as it's time based. Some LPs invest based on "X Return" or IRR, and so cherry-picking one over the other is disingenuous without mentioni…
But I agree with the rest of your statements. Better to have a VC investment that brings a 12% return or whatever than some negative returning European or Japanese government bonds.
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#39I don't have access to the full article, but from the lede this looks like not very well researched journalism: 1. A16Z has 17 funds, with varying degrees of investing angles (early stage, crypto, bio, etc). So trying to do a fund by fund analysis is unfair. 2. IRR can be deceiving as it's time based. Some LPs invest based on "X Return" or IRR, and so cherry-picking one over the other is disingenuous without mentioni…
"IRR can be deceiving as it is time based". No, it's the other way. A return without mentioning how long it took to earn it is deceiving.
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#40Key points: The funds the firm raised in 2010 and 2011 showed a net internal rate of return of 16% and 12%. The results are a significant drop from the 44% return rate of its 2009 fund.
Did people think a 44% return was sustainable?
But otherwise at a more local level high risk capital expects high rewards.