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Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

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Re: Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

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I thought he was an asshole. Quite apart from how he came across in the film exposing yourself to utterly needless danger is a very bad way to treat people who love you.

I get that perspective. Let me ask this: Do you feel the same way about the people in your life who smoke? or eat fast food? or don't exercise daily? or text while driving? I know you can say those are an accumulation of small dangers but it isn't like Honnold never climbed once and decided to free solo the hardest cliff in the world. Do you feel the same about race car drivers? NFL players? We all have our identity…

I think there are plenty of people who are trying to get their loved ones to quit smoking.

Re: Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

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There was also that whole bit about how he thought he should break up with her because he didn't belay him properly or something. The guy has done some amazing feats, but he definitely seems as if he is on the spectrum.

“as if he is on the spectrum.” Which makes him relatable to me and probably quite a few other programmers.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It is what it is. But I can see why that made him come across as cold towards his girlfriend.

Re: Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

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I've been fascinated for a long time by how people get angry at others for taking risks. Ride my mountain bike slowly on a side walk without a helmet? It invokes ANGER in others. Why? Is it an evolutionary trait built into pack animals perhaps? That would make sense. But still, leave me alone! =) Also, yes internet I understand that falling from a mountain bike at a slow speed can impact your head just as hard as fal…

Because in the real world the consequences of your actions aren’t confined to yourself. Reckless behavior increases the impact on anyone involved in an accident with you, mentally impacts anyone that might see your brains splatter, increases insurance premiums, uses hospital resources, etc.

None of that is what actually causes people to be angry. Eating junk food, drinking a beer, driving a sports car, doesn't evoke the same emotional reaction in people, which has the same sorts of consequences if you did some sort of long term impact analysis, which normal people don't do on the spot.

As well, insurance and hospital costs are likely reduced since I'm more often just dead rather than maimed. Plus I'll have less diabetes and heart disease since I'm not sitting inside watching CNN and Fox news all day getting fat and being "safe"

Re: Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

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It's interesting to see some negative reactions to what Alex did. His actions bring to forefront a belief which doesn't seem to sit well with many: his life is his own. And our lives really are, ultimately, our own. Well, at least until we bring kids into the world. We can certainly choose to give up part of this autonomy, but we shouldn't demand it from anyone else.

I've been fascinated for a long time by how people get angry at others for taking risks. Ride my mountain bike slowly on a side walk without a helmet? It invokes ANGER in others. Why? Is it an evolutionary trait built into pack animals perhaps? That would make sense. But still, leave me alone! =) Also, yes internet I understand that falling from a mountain bike at a slow speed can impact your head just as hard as fal…

In order for it to be fair to risk your own health, you would have to be in a society with zero social safety net (no mechanism where other people end up paying for your healthcare, and forget about charity for the disabled), as well as no emotional investment from any relationships (good luck getting this to happen on a planet with humans). An octopus could probably get away with solo climbing.

Re: Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

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Anytime I discussed Free Solo with anyone, including my wife, my feelings about Alex couldn’t have been more opposite from theirs. His bit about empathy and the fact that he’s, “just learning [his] lines” is probably relatable to many here. His comments about deciding to solo mostly because he wasn’t comfortable asking anyone to climb with him, and didn’t want anyone to see him do something stupid, while ranking in t…

I came away with the feeling that he sees things in the world very black and white, lacks empathy (but still tries), and doesn’t compromise on his view of the world. Some might view that as an admirable trait and that’s it’s important to be true to ones self, others might more negatively view it as isolationist, anti-social, or even as one commenter here put it “on the spectrum”. I don’t want to judge his personality too much or pick sides, but I can understand how his personality can be polarizing.

As far as free climbing goes, he’s on top of his game, and should be able to climb as he wishes I think. It’s his life, let him live it. But the list of dead free climbers that were once the best in the world, grows every year it seems....

Re: Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

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I get that perspective. Let me ask this: Do you feel the same way about the people in your life who smoke? or eat fast food? or don't exercise daily? or text while driving? I know you can say those are an accumulation of small dangers but it isn't like Honnold never climbed once and decided to free solo the hardest cliff in the world. Do you feel the same about race car drivers? NFL players? We all have our identity…

I think there are plenty of people who are trying to get their loved ones to quit smoking.

But do they think of them as assholes because they are smoking? Or eating unhealthy food?

Re: Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

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Because in the real world the consequences of your actions aren’t confined to yourself. Reckless behavior increases the impact on anyone involved in an accident with you, mentally impacts anyone that might see your brains splatter, increases insurance premiums, uses hospital resources, etc.

None of that is what actually causes people to be angry. Eating junk food, drinking a beer, driving a sports car, doesn't evoke the same emotional reaction in people, which has the same sorts of consequences if you did some sort of long term impact analysis, which normal people don't do on the spot. As well, insurance and hospital costs are likely reduced since I'm more often just dead rather than maimed. Plus I'll h…

Should people really be eating junk food? I do kind of think it's unfair that in a world with universal healthcare I'm going to have to be paying for their diabetes in 50 years. If I'm going to be paying for the consequences then you bet I'm going to want to make your decisions. Likewise I wouldn't mind it if you went climbing, but then I would demand that you pay for your own solo climbers insurance.

Re: Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

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As a (very) amateur climber myself, I admire Alex. But the litle I know about psychiatric illness, I could clearly see that Alex is in depression - and that is, IMHO, one of the strongest motivations of him to free solo. In other words, soloing makes him forget the real pain. In case it goes sideways, he just does not care much.

> In case it goes sideways, he just does not care much. I don't think it's that. In some video online it covers Alex getting a brain scan, to determine if the part responsible for fear is maybe broken. It turned out that it wasn't, it was just that Alex was such an experienced climber that he knows with full confidence what he has to do and what his limitations are. Him failing doesn't really factor in the calculus o…

The brain scan is from the documentary, which if I remember correctly did result in the conclusion that his brain does not function like a normal human's in the context of fear.

Re: Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

#39
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because in the real world the consequences of your actions aren’t confined to yourself. Reckless behavior increases the impact on anyone involved in an accident with you, mentally impacts anyone that might see your brains splatter, increases insurance premiums, uses hospital resources, etc.

None of that is what actually causes people to be angry. Eating junk food, drinking a beer, driving a sports car, doesn't evoke the same emotional reaction in people, which has the same sorts of consequences if you did some sort of long term impact analysis, which normal people don't do on the spot. As well, insurance and hospital costs are likely reduced since I'm more often just dead rather than maimed. Plus I'll h…

> None of that is what actually causes people to be angry.

How do you know this? Have you interviewed everyone ever on why they got angry? There are a variety of reasons and it's very highly unlikely that you are correct.

Re: Alex Honnold's next summit: the rest of his life

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I can't remember how or exactly when I came across Alex but it was several years ago. On the one hand I find parts of him highly relatable (eg "learning his lines" and his aversion to asking others to climb with him) and others not (eg I have zero inclination to climb anything).

I certainly respect how much work and preparation he puts into his climbs.

The question is: how is he different to the Everest glory hounds that I personally find objectionable? These are the people who basically pay $50k to "climb" Everest and largely get carried by the sherpas. Ask an experienced tour operator and, weather depending, they'll tell you they can probably get anyone to the top.

There are some key differences:

1. I honestly think the Everest glory hounds aren't doing it for the experience, for the most part. They're doing it for the bragging rights. It's the next level of Instagram flexing. Like it's the same people who go to Greece and the only thing they do is get a selfie at sunset in Santorini before moving on to the next Instagram stop.

2. Alex is actually doing things that have never been done before and some thought impossible.

You may view what Alex does as unsafe (I mean, I'd never do it) but it really is his life. Where my attitude turns is when someone has children. You see these stories all the time of [amateur climber] pursues life long dream of summitting Everest and dies leaving [wife and 3 small children].

The defenders will say that person is following their dreams and teaching their kids to do the same. Me? It's purely self-indulgent rationalization. If you're a parent, your kids need you more than you need to be the 6000th person to summit Everest.

Alex has a partner. She can make her own choices though. But your kids? They don't get a choice.

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