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Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No persistent presence, no true source-of-truth logging, bad authentiation - I mean, there's really nothing good about IRC unless you have a fetish for late '90s tech.

Late 90’s? More like late 80’s. I think my first IRC session was in 1991.

I’m making allowance for the way the protocol evolved a bit

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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I think there are three problems here: first is that the new generation of developers that Mozilla is trying to attract are not used to systems which do not persistently store data in an API-accessible database backend.

Second that there is a perception of plain text as an antiquated medium of communication (and yet we persistently reinvent markdown as a way of simplifying rich text).

Third and most importantly, the issue is not that IRC is old or is missing features, it is that IRC encodes a specific model for running a communication network (hubs, leafs, operators, etc). When we try and replace IRC with a system like Matrix we are giving up the old model of "owned" nodes and the decentralised nature of it to instead bow to a centralised model where certain people wield absolute power. Is this really the right way? what if I want to write a bot to perform some unusual administrative function? do I have keep updating it every time the API changes? that's why IRC is good, I don't need to do that.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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I have full faith that, if I had left a computer running, in the corner of my home, with an IRC client open, it would have been able to maintain a connection to Freenode (not continuously, but just work) for fifteen or more years. Personally I don't think IRC will ever be replaced. Well, it will, but it'll happen when my generation dies and gets fully replaced with the New Shiny. I _hope_ that some sort of real, prop…

I started reading up Ruma sources with the intent to start contributing when I'm done with my current work (and when async lands in stable). Hopefully it (and maybe Dendrite) will be able to provide your 15 years of uptime on the client side in the future.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Why move away from IRC at all? If it ain't broken why "fix" it.

Not everyone Mozilla hires is from a super technical background (ex: even though I now am a pentester, I actually did a UX research internship, wasn't hired to do software engineering at all). I wish they'd kept it around though, let the community die a natural death: slowly bleeding out as zoomers share memes in signal groups.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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post #37

Really excited to see Discord rejected. Watching Discord take over open source and free culture communities has been disheartening to say the least.

I've never heard of this but I'm not particularly in the field... Can you expand?

Rust is moving from irc to discord as a result of mozilla sunsetting their irc server. I know one datapoint is not a trend, but it's a high profile datapoint.

Re: Candidates for Mozilla's IRC Successor

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Why move away from IRC at all? If it ain't broken why "fix" it.

The young peeps like their icons and colors and gifs. Old people are always dying off and young people who turn into old people tend to bring their toys along with them, so I forsee something like slack/discord but OSS taking over in the next 10 years, at least in programming circles.
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