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Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Post by Fnoord »

rossmohax wrote: post #3

I'd prefer to see them spending time on polishing their mobile app, which lacks in UX in important areas. For instance offline access to received, but yet unopened emails simply doesn't work. There is a (mis)feature where email bodies are downloaded only on notification, but in my case emails remain unavailable offline and Protonmail support was unhelpful. But even if email-via-notification worked, it is still pretty…

I'd prefer WireGuard support.

But I guess there just is not enough demand for that.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Post by uallo »

I wonder why ProtonMail is getting so much negative press. They are releasing articles like that to clarify "the truth" on a regular base. Even here on HackerNews, there are so many negative voices repeating the same things over and over again. Even and especially those that (seem to) have been rectified by ProtonMail. Usually, the people here seem to be neutral and fact-based, but as soon as ProtonMail is involved many are getting wild.

While I have an inactive account at PM, I'm not involved with them in any way. This is just an observation that I have made over the recent years.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Post by pkilgore »

turc1656 wrote: post #28

I'd like to point out one thing. The people at ProtonMail are clearly under the belief that they are only subject to Swiss law because they are located in Switzerland. That's not my understanding of the law at all. Granted, it seems like an obvious conclusion but legally the truth seems to be different. For instance, at my employer we had training on the GDPR rules and how they relate to us. We are a US based company…

> The people at ProtonMail are clearly under the belief that they are only subject to Swiss law because they are located in Switzerland.

What led you to believe this is so clear?

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Post by icebraining »

icu wrote: post #15
ztjio wrote: post #4

As if I needed more evidence that Bloomberg is below 0 on the credibility scale. They are officially a tabloid to me now.

I still find it useful to read mainstream media, even 'free' publications like Metro and the Evening Standard in London. What I do is not read them for news per se, but a sort of high level scan of what the publication's bias is. What narratives are being pushed? How has the publication ordered, or prominently displayed articles? What news is completely omitted? For example, no mainstream media outlet in the UK cover…

> Facts on the ground at the most recent (...) marches is that there is a lot of Hezbollah flags flown.

[citation needed]. Flying the Hezbollah flag was made illegal by the British Parliament in March, ahead of the most recent march: https://www.algemeiner.com/2019/05/28/flying-the-hezbollah-f...

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Post by turc1656 »

pkilgore wrote: post #33
turc1656 wrote: post #28

I'd like to point out one thing. The people at ProtonMail are clearly under the belief that they are only subject to Swiss law because they are located in Switzerland. That's not my understanding of the law at all. Granted, it seems like an obvious conclusion but legally the truth seems to be different. For instance, at my employer we had training on the GDPR rules and how they relate to us. We are a US based company…

> The people at ProtonMail are clearly under the belief that they are only subject to Swiss law because they are located in Switzerland. What led you to believe this is so clear?

These excerpts taken together:

1) "As a Swiss company, when it comes to the data of Proton users, we will only comply with the laws of Switzerland, the jurisdiction of our headquarters and where all of our servers are located. As we have always consistently stated in our terms and conditions and privacy policy, any requests which fall outside of Swiss law will be politely refused"

2) "Proton does not have offices, employees, subsidiaries, or any permanent establishments in China or Russia, and as such, we do not fall under the scope of these laws, nor can these laws be enforced against us. However, this does not mean authorities in these countries would not try to enforce the laws anyways."

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Post by MaupitiBlue »

dewey wrote: post #9

Looks like Bloomberg is doing the same as with the "implant" rumors and Supermicro a few months ago. Gruber has a very nice disclaimer at the bottom of posts mentioning Bloomberg now: "Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” last October — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The…

SuperMicro didn’t sue Bloomberg. That should be a huge clue about the accuracy of the original article.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Post by velcrovan »

Fnoord wrote: post #31
rossmohax wrote: post #3

I'd prefer to see them spending time on polishing their mobile app, which lacks in UX in important areas. For instance offline access to received, but yet unopened emails simply doesn't work. There is a (mis)feature where email bodies are downloaded only on notification, but in my case emails remain unavailable offline and Protonmail support was unhelpful. But even if email-via-notification worked, it is still pretty…

I'd prefer WireGuard support. But I guess there just is not enough demand for that.

You'd prefer WireGuard support in an email service? What do you mean by that?

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

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Post by rshnotsecure »

ProtonMail does not support Yubikeys. I would like to ask all of HN to think seriously about this and what this means. ProtonMail does many things exactly right. This 1 oversight suggests something very very scary going on at the organization.

HN does not allow you to delete comments. I would ask that if you think that not having Yubikeys does not require a significant and immediate answer from the ProtonMail team, to sign your name (I will) at the bottom of your response. If you can’t do that, perhaps provide a burner email address.

Dan Ehrlich

dan@ehrlichserver.com

CISSP, CCSP, CISM

EDIT: spacing between my signature, change of comment to commentS

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