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Japanese Settlement Found in Forests of British Columbia

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Re: Japanese Settlement Found in Forests of British Columbia

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I'm a bit naive as to how large countries like Canada monitor their space, but is it possible there are unknown long-term (multi generational) "settlements" separate and unknown to the rest of the world still out in the middle of nowhere in Canada? Feels like a good subject for a novel :-)

I've driven and hiked around the Canadian bush quite a bit. It is hard to explain how incredibly large the area is in terms that makes sense if you haven't been there. It isn't uncommon to spend days without seeing another person. It's so quiet the only sounds you hear are the wind (if there is wind), animals and your own heartbeat. It's also beautiful and brutal at the same time, a single mistake and you're done for…

We just discovered of what might be the largest cave in Canada just last year: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/new-cave-bc-...

There's a lot of surface that are covered by glaciers or forest and not visible from the sky.

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I'm a bit naive as to how large countries like Canada monitor their space, but is it possible there are unknown long-term (multi generational) "settlements" separate and unknown to the rest of the world still out in the middle of nowhere in Canada? Feels like a good subject for a novel :-)

Practically no humans ever live completely isolated. If you do, you are either dirt poor and an inch away from being wiped out by some misfortune or another, or you are burning through the resources you brought along before you were isolated.

Re: Japanese Settlement Found in Forests of British Columbia

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I live on this mountain. These are not settlements. These are logging camps or seasonal work camps. My grandfather worked up there and he was jealous of the Japanese for their beautiful shacks when the Norwegians were in canvas tents. Of course, he admitted that the Japanese just worked harder to make their own quarters. There were orchards, livestock, farms of potatoes, onions and legumes, but most of the activity w…

The article noted the following: > But it is the third site, which seems to have transitioned from a logging camp to a thriving village, that fascinates [the archaeology professor] the most. Must be a real privilege for your grandfather to share that bit of vivid history with you. My grandfather would have been a young adult during WW2, and the small island that both he and I grew up on has a deep history with the Ja…

If you don't mind sharing, would you say which island? A few months ago I read Lisa See's novel set on Jeju Island, and it's an amazing (and very moving) look at a history I didn't know anything at all about: http://www.lisasee.com/books-new/the-island-of-sea-women/

Re: Japanese Settlement Found in Forests of British Columbia

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I'm a bit naive as to how large countries like Canada monitor their space, but is it possible there are unknown long-term (multi generational) "settlements" separate and unknown to the rest of the world still out in the middle of nowhere in Canada? Feels like a good subject for a novel :-)

A lot of Canada is functionally empty, but it's all well surveyed by the government as well as the companies extracting natural resources.

It's extremely unlikely that there'd be any unknown settlement of any permanence or size.

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I speculate that it is possible, but unlikely. Settlements need to be near a resource of some sort. Forest, lake, ocean, large mammal population, mineral deposit, strategic vantage point... or similar. Something that can sustain livelihoods. I would expect the resources of the far north to have been fairly well documented. There may be large empty spaces that attract almost no attention, but I would guess they would…

The northern part of Canada before you get into the tundra is one massive contiguous forest 1/3 the size of the United States. It's filled with lakes, streams, rivers, and game - but almost no people. You could easily have small groups of people live there for decades without being discovered. It's so wild that there are places where the wolves have not learned to fear humans. See a map here (PDF): https://www.nrcan.…

That's even just the Boreal forest. There's even more to it: https://www.sfmcanada.org/images/Forest_Types_EN.pdf

The areas around the cities are dotted with farmland, but it is not difficult to find some kind of a forest nearby. Even Vancouver has a fairly dense forest downtown in Stanley Park. It's possible to wander into it and (sometimes, maybe not during peak tourist season) not encounter anyone

Re: Japanese Settlement Found in Forests of British Columbia

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I'm a bit naive as to how large countries like Canada monitor their space, but is it possible there are unknown long-term (multi generational) "settlements" separate and unknown to the rest of the world still out in the middle of nowhere in Canada? Feels like a good subject for a novel :-)

There was a movie "Last of the Dogmen" based on this premise. Can't remember if it was any good. Starred Tom Berenger.

Re: Japanese Settlement Found in Forests of British Columbia

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They have these all over the western US as well. Mostly Chinese though I think. Back from mining, logging, and rail building times. Many are for the most part undocumented or barely documented with short footnotes in texts from the time. I was thinking how cool it would be to bring a metal detector to one of the spots since they've been for the most part untouched.

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I remember having a flight from LHR to Calgary and was lucky enough to be in a window seat and for it to be daylight and clear - only time I've seen Greenland! What I was prepared for was how big, flat and pretty much featureless that part of Canada is just his awesome patchwork of lakes, streams and the occasional esker. Only thing that has been similar was flying north from Kenya to Egypt and being similarly amazed…

Oh man. I was flying ATL to LHR a couple years ago and went went over the southern tip of Greenland. My initial reaction was that of wonder and amazement, followed by a hint of unsettling terror at the vast emptiness of the landscape.

My wife and I watched this movie https://www.amazon.com/Arctic-Mads-Mikkelsen/dp/B07N42LPH9/r... on Amazon Prime and it's full of the "unsettling terror at the vast emptiness of the landscape" you mention.

Re: Japanese Settlement Found in Forests of British Columbia

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post #35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The northern part of Canada before you get into the tundra is one massive contiguous forest 1/3 the size of the United States. It's filled with lakes, streams, rivers, and game - but almost no people. You could easily have small groups of people live there for decades without being discovered. It's so wild that there are places where the wolves have not learned to fear humans. See a map here (PDF): https://www.nrcan.…

That's even just the Boreal forest. There's even more to it: https://www.sfmcanada.org/images/Forest_Types_EN.pdf The areas around the cities are dotted with farmland, but it is not difficult to find some kind of a forest nearby. Even Vancouver has a fairly dense forest downtown in Stanley Park. It's possible to wander into it and (sometimes, maybe not during peak tourist season) not encounter anyone

I got lost in the forest in the mountains in North Vancouver a month ago. It's surprisingly rough terrain and there were very few people. Google maps and GPS was how I managed to find the trail again.

Re: Japanese Settlement Found in Forests of British Columbia

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*settlement from the 20th century

That is a good context to have. When I saw the title, I thought they discovered signs of Japanese settlement, similar to the Vikings settlements on the opposite side of the continent.

That was a separate news story from a couple weeks ago. "Late Upper Paleolithic occupation at Cooper’s Ferry, Idaho, USA, ~16,000 years ago" "The stemmed projectile points closely resemble those found in Upper Paleolithic Japan, also supporting the hypothesis of a coastal route."

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6456/891

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