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Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Since starting to use Google Cloud for bits and pieces I've come to appreciate the AWS UI approach much more than previously. All those little spartan pockets of UI means nothing gets overengineered, the tools feel more like a quick Intranet web app (and generally load as quickly!) than anything else Meanwhile over in GCloud, almost /any/ operation whatsoever will spam you with an endless series of progress meters, m…

Just because something is better does not make it good.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Since starting to use Google Cloud for bits and pieces I've come to appreciate the AWS UI approach much more than previously. All those little spartan pockets of UI means nothing gets overengineered, the tools feel more like a quick Intranet web app (and generally load as quickly!) than anything else Meanwhile over in GCloud, almost /any/ operation whatsoever will spam you with an endless series of progress meters, m…

Wow, I have the complete opposite experience. Monitoring, metrics graphs and logs are just miles ahead in Google IMO. It's so much easier for getting visibility.

Do you really prefer Cloudwatch to Stackdriver? How about having a Lambda being triggered both on SNS messages and HTTP requests (setting up a proxy) and having that Lambda deployed with a CD pipeline - compared to doing the same with Cloud Functions?

But I guess it also really boils down to which products you make the most use how, how and your scale. Clearly we have different preferences.

I guess I am not seeing the bad parts you do because 1) Apart from DNS and some IAM, most infra changes are done from Terraform or CLI and 2) I have pretty high-end workstation.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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I hate AWS so much. I spent 3 hours trying to get a bucket to host a static single page of html and failed completely. I use amazon polly. I wanted to know how many characters I was using each month. I spent 2 hours searching through hundreds of pages and literally couldn't find that information. I thought of trying to start a little text to speech service for dyslexics to make it easy to use Polly but one of the mai…

For me that isn't the problem. It's mapping the several-thousand acronym riddled hairballs into reality. The reality matches no other reality which means the knowledge is probably useless in 20 years time, much as the knowledge I had of proprietary stuff then is useless now. My head has only a certain amount of space and motivation for ephemeral complexity hairballs like AWS.

At this point I have to wonder if this is intentional. It makes it difficult to escape if all you know is AWS's reality abstractions.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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I hate AWS so much. I spent 3 hours trying to get a bucket to host a static single page of html and failed completely. I use amazon polly. I wanted to know how many characters I was using each month. I spent 2 hours searching through hundreds of pages and literally couldn't find that information. I thought of trying to start a little text to speech service for dyslexics to make it easy to use Polly but one of the mai…

Uploading a single file to S3 seems like it should be a simple job, that is well-documented: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/user-guide/uploa... There are parts of AWS that are hard to use, and non-intuitive. But S3 didn't ever seem to be one of them, though perhaps I'm forgetting how hard it was initially. You might consider a "friendly" system for static hosting if raw-S3 is too hard though, such as net…

Uploading to S3 is easy until it isn't. It works pretty nicely for one-offs but when you have to blast a few hundred gigs into it or large files from a bit of software you wrote it's a royal pain in the butt. The phrase "multi-part upload" makes me cry inside.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Since starting to use Google Cloud for bits and pieces I've come to appreciate the AWS UI approach much more than previously. All those little spartan pockets of UI means nothing gets overengineered, the tools feel more like a quick Intranet web app (and generally load as quickly!) than anything else Meanwhile over in GCloud, almost /any/ operation whatsoever will spam you with an endless series of progress meters, m…

Wow, I have the complete opposite experience. Monitoring, metrics graphs and logs are just miles ahead in Google IMO. It's so much easier for getting visibility. Do you really prefer Cloudwatch to Stackdriver? How about having a Lambda being triggered both on SNS messages and HTTP requests (setting up a proxy) and having that Lambda deployed with a CD pipeline - compared to doing the same with Cloud Functions? But I…

A series of loaded questions does not convince anyone :) With large accounts all of these tools start to break down, by that point it's much easier to work from the command line than, say, navigating GCloud's single global view of VMs which becomes actively harmful in this case. I run 1500 instance load tests on GCloud quite regularly, so this is not some imaginary problem, and genuinely large accounts can easily grow to 10x that

I'll always prefer the ability to quickly hit refresh than waiting 4 seconds because I made the mistake of ctrl-clicking a link, and now a new tab is 'booting'. But I guess this preference depends on how quickly one expects to be able to get their job done

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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I completely agree. I feel stupid everything I try use AWS. I have a pile of credits in my account that I am not using because I cannot bear to try (and fail... Again). It's maddening and they clearly do not care.

What's your level of experience with ops/networking etc.? Because it all boils down to that. If you need a simpler service, maybe you could use digital ocean etc...

Technically you're right of course but I think you miss the broader point. AWS is ludicrously complicated and overkill for most startups, like a corner store implementing SAP. The problem is it's the gold standard for "cloud" and choosing anything else (apart from GCS, perhaps) attracts the need for justifications and, ultimately, unwelcome accountability. "Nobody ever got fired for [choosing AWS]".

I'd personally love it if AWS implemented a digital ocean-like "basic" interface which, realistically, covers 90% of startups' needs. Simple is good. If needed, they can switch over to "Fortune 500 mode" later.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Since starting to use Google Cloud for bits and pieces I've come to appreciate the AWS UI approach much more than previously. All those little spartan pockets of UI means nothing gets overengineered, the tools feel more like a quick Intranet web app (and generally load as quickly!) than anything else Meanwhile over in GCloud, almost /any/ operation whatsoever will spam you with an endless series of progress meters, m…

Total opposite experience. AWS UI is slow, workflow is terrible. Google cloud is much better.

Mind you once you get to a certain point using the APIs is better.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Don’t use the console. Nobody who uses aws professionally spends any amount of time in it. They have apis and cloud formation use that.

I wouldn’t go that far. I use a combination of the console, Cloud Formation, the CLI, and Python scripts for dev ops/infrastructure type work and Python, JavaScript/Node and C# for development.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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Uploading a single file to S3 seems like it should be a simple job, that is well-documented: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/user-guide/uploa... There are parts of AWS that are hard to use, and non-intuitive. But S3 didn't ever seem to be one of them, though perhaps I'm forgetting how hard it was initially. You might consider a "friendly" system for static hosting if raw-S3 is too hard though, such as net…

Uploading to S3 is easy until it isn't. It works pretty nicely for one-offs but when you have to blast a few hundred gigs into it or large files from a bit of software you wrote it's a royal pain in the butt. The phrase "multi-part upload" makes me cry inside.

Why is that hard? The CLI automatically does multi part uploads. It’s also simple with the various AWS SDKs.

Re: Troubles with the AWS web console

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To an extent that makes sense, but I think Amazon is just generally bad at web design for reasons unknown to me. Their plain old shopping site has been horrible ever since, inconsistent and confusing, and here you can't even excuse this with diving people to an API. Maybe it's to keep people browsing for longer and get them to buy more but that's assuming it outweighs the frustration induced by it.

It’s interesting you mention the shopping site. I have found their site horrible ever since the beginning and only marginally better since done of their belabored efforts to polish some things. I feel like both WAS and the shopping UI/UX are dependent on an overarching common effect; your willingness to suffer in order to get the hit of addiction. On the shopping site it’s the relative speed and gratification of the…

I'm curious, could you point me at a shop that has a better UI? So far, all the other online shops I used so far (and that have a varied set of items) were either on par or much worse. Most of them were bog slow, search didn't work as expected, or some other aspect failed to work properly. Those that were on par were for specialised products.
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