> Most startups only give you 90 days to buy your options once you leave. After that, they expire and revert back to the company. This is the real problem here. While this used to be standard, many startups have started offering employees the maximum ten years allowed by the IRS. This is something to consider when joining a company: if they're not willing to give you the full ten years, why not? More: https://tripleb…
Should you buy your stock options when you quit?
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#33If they are valuing the common stock based on the last funding round which sold preferred shares, you are likely significantly overpaying both for your exercise price and in AMT tax, and that makes the investment significantly riskier.
If common share FMV is discounted appropriately, IMO a 409a valuation will reflect the extreme risk of common shares dilution in an unprofitable venture with large investor preferences, and you should have a very low exercise price with little to no AMT unless the company is already well into planning an IPO.
At past companies I saw common stock valuation that matched the funding round valuation, and you should never be paying that price for common shares. 1/10th that price is a good rule of thumb.
The second most important factor is that you can’t ever sell shares in a company that doesn’t have a market for its shares. That vast majority of companies do not have, and never will have, marketable securities.
The third factor for me would be if the shares are eligible for QSBS Section 1202 treatment (tax free up to $10 million), which ISO options are not, but NSOs can be but the 5 year holding period starts at the exercise date.
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#34But I've also throughout my career aspired to be a skilled tradesman; I've tried to do a productive job well, rather than to try to lever myself up on the skills of others.
It hasn't made me rich (surprise!), but I'm happier than at least some of my colleagues who chose the more-enriching path.
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#35I worked for CollabNet from 2005-2010. When I left, I bought my stock options. I got a friendly letter in the mail a few years later telling me that the company had been restructured, and that my shares are now worthless. If I'm getting shares as a part of equity, then I'll consider that as part of my comp package...however, if they're stock options, I generally completely disregard them: I haven't yet met a startup…
It's a bit weird that you would take wildly different views on the value of one vs the other.
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#38I worked for CollabNet from 2005-2010. When I left, I bought my stock options. I got a friendly letter in the mail a few years later telling me that the company had been restructured, and that my shares are now worthless. If I'm getting shares as a part of equity, then I'll consider that as part of my comp package...however, if they're stock options, I generally completely disregard them: I haven't yet met a startup…
Can anyone chime in as to how it is legal to remove someone's ownership from a company like that?
When accepting venture funding, the VC capital will come in as preffered equity which is similar in some ways to permanent debt with no interest payments.
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#39Are there tax benefits to exercising early? Hypothetically say I have some options with a pretty cheap exercise price, and I think the company will be taking on PE money in the near future, AND I have faith that the company will successfully exit in the future, will exercising early save me some taxes?
Note that if you just started you can likely "early exercise" all of your options right now by filing an 83B and paying the company the strike price. You generally have 90 days from the date of the option grant to do this.
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#40I worked for CollabNet from 2005-2010. When I left, I bought my stock options. I got a friendly letter in the mail a few years later telling me that the company had been restructured, and that my shares are now worthless. If I'm getting shares as a part of equity, then I'll consider that as part of my comp package...however, if they're stock options, I generally completely disregard them: I haven't yet met a startup…
Can anyone chime in as to how it is legal to remove someone's ownership from a company like that?