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The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of marriage have changed

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Re: The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of marriage have changed

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Could part of the reason be that online dating pairs people who are more suitable for each other? There are less people just settling, to start a family. Some of those who, in the past, found someone who had just settled for them. May find it more difficult to find someone, willing to do that.

I’d love more research on this because my experience with online dating has been significantly less fruitful as compared to meeting people at work/school/meetups.

Re: The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of marriage have changed

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post #11

It's been explained to me that in the United States you pay less taxes when you are married, thereby resulting in a higher marriage rate than otherwise. I'm surprised this hasn't been contested - doesn't it seem discriminatory to those who don't want to institutionalise their relationship? I don't know any other country that has this tax aspect. edit many seem to presume there are not alternatives to marriage: a de f…

That right, there's three or so tax filing statuses with different rates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filing_status . Presumably that favoritism in rates assumed an investment by the country in the children that naturally follow the union of a man and woman that are majoritatively fecund by a wide margin populationally speaking. Despite there being marriages that are inherently or voluntarily infertile when does t…

are we (u.s.) not already there? if not it has to be very close.

Re: The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of marriage have changed

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Marriage is a wonderful institution and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given. Our culture tells us the opposite. But our culture is insane and wants you to be an isolated, rootless, consumer wage slave.

Seriously. I used to be on a high flying career path and was pretty happy about it. Then I had kids and realized I never knew what happiness was. I have about $2m and will be going to stay at home dad soon. Now everything at work seems like such utter bullshit. Who cares if this code compiles or not. We’re all just useless worms on a piece of dust. I’m going to spend my femtosecond with my kids.

Re: The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of marriage have changed

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> “If you were to include cohabiting relationships [in addition to marriages], the breakup rates for young adults have probably not been going down,”

It's interesting that they think to factor in cohabitation when when looking at overall breakup rates, however they go the opposite direction and fail to account for how well-paying jobs actually relate to college degrees over the years:

> Chen connects this trend to the decline of well-paying jobs for those without college degrees, which, he argues, makes it harder to form more stable relationships. Indeed, Cohen writes in his paper that marriage is “an increasingly central component of the structure of social inequality.” [...]

In 1960, 22% of Americans ages 25 to 34 had some college or more. By 2009, it was 60%. [0] For the sake of argument, let's say we have 100% employment among this age group and that those with college degrees always get the best paying jobs. We'll define a "well-paying job" as the top 50% of jobs by wage.

That means that in 1960, the college folks get the top 22% well-paying jobs. That leaves the remaining 28% of well-paying jobs to those who skipped college. In 2009, we have all well-paying jobs filled by the college folks, and they actually spill over into the non well-paying jobs, since we have so many now.

So yes, there is technically a decline in well-paying jobs among those without college degrees. However, that's only because there are a larger proportion of those with college degrees in kind! If you want to consider "social inequality", it makes more sense to look at the proportion of those with well-paying jobs compared with those without, which is 50% in both theoretical scenarios.

[0] https://trends.collegeboard.org/education-pays/figures-table...

Re: The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of marriage have changed

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Marriage is a wonderful institution and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given. Our culture tells us the opposite. But our culture is insane and wants you to be an isolated, rootless, consumer wage slave.

> Marriage is a wonderful institution and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given.

This is true only if the finances are there to support it and both people really want it. In which case any "institution" can be considered wonderful and the fruit of it a "gift."

Most people can't get out of the consumer wage slave trap, it's their only opportunity or the only one they know about or can use to try to be in a better economic situation.

Children strain things and make things less happy between the mom and dad in a lot of marriages unless there's enough money.

Re: The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of marriage have changed

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Marriage is a wonderful institution and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given. Our culture tells us the opposite. But our culture is insane and wants you to be an isolated, rootless, consumer wage slave.

> Marriage is a wonderful institution and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given.

Perhaps this is true for you personally. How do you know that this an "universal truth".

Re: The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of marriage have changed

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Marriage is a wonderful institution and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given. Our culture tells us the opposite. But our culture is insane and wants you to be an isolated, rootless, consumer wage slave.

> Marriage is a wonderful institution and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given. This is true only if the finances are there to support it and both people really want it. In which case any "institution" can be considered wonderful and the fruit of it a "gift." Most people can't get out of the consumer wage slave trap, it's their only opportunity or the only one they know about or can u…

There are plenty of poor people in happy marriages (with children). Sometimes it's better to struggle together than alone.

Re: The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of marriage have changed

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post #16

A question I have is...why marriage at all? Is there a reason I need the government to recognize the union between my and my SO?

I used to parrot about marriage - "license and registration are for cars."

But, getting married (after 7yrs with SO) had 2 powerful effects:

1. The power of social contract as a signal to family, friends, society etc is huge. It's also really nice to celebrate with loved ones. There's not enough ceremony in our lives as it is...

2. The power of agreement with SO had an immensely positive impact on our relationship. Words have power, agreements have even more so. Just choose carefully and intentionally the agreement that you're entering with your partner.

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