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Is Perl 6 Being Renamed?

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Re: Is Perl 6 Being Renamed?

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Post by mkozlows »

DangerousPie wrote: post #29

As an outsider who hasn't written perl code in more than a decade this all makes a lot of sense to me. I think of Perl 5 as something "outdated" because I know that there is a language called Perl 6. When I think of Perl 6 I am not particularly interested in it because I assume it's more or less the same as the "old" Perl, which I don't use and didn't really like back in the day. Renaming Perl 6 to something else wou…

There's no saving Perl 5; it's a legacy language in legacy maintenance mode for good reason.

Renaming Raku/Camelia could help that language quit being saddled with the perception that it's also legacy in the same way, though.

Re: Is Perl 6 Being Renamed?

#32

Post by DonHopkins »

AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #30
pvaldes wrote: post #22

Maybe Perl 5 should be renamed to Perl 7...

You say this as a joke, but that might actually be a good idea.

Then what's the next version of Perl 6 supposed to be, Perl 8? And the next version of Perl 7 will be Perl 9... From then on their version numbers will leapfrog each other to keep Even Perl and Odd Perl in parity.

Re: Is Perl 6 Being Renamed?

#34

Post by _pmf_ »

roryrjb wrote: post #4

Perl 6 is probably a great language, I'm not very interested in it, for the reasons someone might pick it, I'd probably pick a different language; of course not for any logical reasons, but still. Perl 5 on the other hand is still a great language for lots of reasons. I hope Perl 6 is renamed and Perl 5 will become Perl again and it will be reinvigorated and more people will consider it again. Don't get me wrong, I d…

> Perl 6 is probably a great language,

Does it also have the unparseability problem[0] of Perl 5? That's a deal breaker for a lot of tooling.

[0] https://perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393

Re: Is Perl 6 Being Renamed?

#35

Post by roryrjb »

mkozlows wrote: post #31
DangerousPie wrote: post #29

As an outsider who hasn't written perl code in more than a decade this all makes a lot of sense to me. I think of Perl 5 as something "outdated" because I know that there is a language called Perl 6. When I think of Perl 6 I am not particularly interested in it because I assume it's more or less the same as the "old" Perl, which I don't use and didn't really like back in the day. Renaming Perl 6 to something else wou…

There's no saving Perl 5; it's a legacy language in legacy maintenance mode for good reason. Renaming Raku/Camelia could help that language quit being saddled with the perception that it's also legacy in the same way, though.

What good reason is that?

Re: Is Perl 6 Being Renamed?

#36

Post by Grue3 »

Raku is a good name (can be abbreviated to 楽 as a bonus). Camelia is too long and is already the name of the mascot. Ofun is terrible (nothing like a product implying it's "fun" by literally including "fun" in the name).

Re: Is Perl 6 Being Renamed?

#37

Post by beefhash »

DonHopkins wrote: post #32
AlexanderDhoore wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say this as a joke, but that might actually be a good idea.

Then what's the next version of Perl 6 supposed to be, Perl 8? And the next version of Perl 7 will be Perl 9... From then on their version numbers will leapfrog each other to keep Even Perl and Odd Perl in parity.

> Then what's the next version of Perl 6 supposed to be

raku 2? Perl 5 gets the Perl name back and gets a version number leap to show it's not dead yet and raku is off doing its own thing with its own version numbers, probably hitting 1.0 barely before GNU Hurd.

Re: Is Perl 6 Being Renamed?

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Post by DonHopkins »

beefhash wrote: post #37
DonHopkins wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then what's the next version of Perl 6 supposed to be, Perl 8? And the next version of Perl 7 will be Perl 9... From then on their version numbers will leapfrog each other to keep Even Perl and Odd Perl in parity.

> Then what's the next version of Perl 6 supposed to be raku 2? Perl 5 gets the Perl name back and gets a version number leap to show it's not dead yet and raku is off doing its own thing with its own version numbers, probably hitting 1.0 barely before GNU Hurd.

Rakuier

PINP: PINP Is Not Perl

Re: Is Perl 6 Being Renamed?

#39

Post by muraiki »

cutler wrote: post #12

I don't get all this "Perl 6 is a different language" nonsense. It was created by Larry Wall and retains all the characteristics of Perl 5 whilst adding a lot of great stuff from other languages. Sadly, performance prevents it being taken seriously in production.

The article says:

> Perl 6 performance has now gotten to the point where it's often comparable to Perl 5 or surpasses it. It still needs some work in this area, but the work is clear, the goals are straightforward, and Perl 6 is going to easily oustrip Perl 5 in terms of performance. If the Perl 6 community wants to rename, it's perhaps the perfect time to do so. It doesn't look like a bad choice if performance is a primary concern.

Shrug.

Re: Is Perl 6 Being Renamed?

#40

Post by pjc50 »

cutler wrote: post #12

I don't get all this "Perl 6 is a different language" nonsense. It was created by Larry Wall and retains all the characteristics of Perl 5 whilst adding a lot of great stuff from other languages. Sadly, performance prevents it being taken seriously in production.

It's a different language because you can't run Perl5 programs unmodified in Perl6. The same is also true of Python2/Python3, which is why that transition has also taken so long. The difference is they managed to do it without everyone abandoning Python2 for something else.
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