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I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by thomasbibby »

flippinburgers wrote: post #24

This is not a tech article and shouldn't be listed. I read the summary of twitter remarks and am constantly amazed by how sensitive people appear to be. ... I should have left it alone as soon as I saw the comments about capitalism being shit and intersectionalism being a real thing.

I thought it offered some valid technical criticisms of React: specifically that it's over engineered and it results in a bad user experience, especially on mobile.

I thought the article offered an interesting argument that front end development has suffered from increasing over-engineering in the last decade, and this over-engineering can be explained by cultural factors and the influence of large corporations like Facebook.

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

#32

Post by sweeneyrod »

__exit__ wrote: post #28
sweeneyrod wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to the behaviour described here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4oh2GGZOsucZfT1YJ5wjDUS... (for instance using the words "guys", "stupid" and "crazy") or something else?

What's the source of that document? I found a page[0] with more info and link references to multiple sources that seems to explain everything in detail. [0]: https://dev.to/aryanjnyc/ken-wheeler-and-dan-abramov-deactiv...

The last Tweet in the article you link

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

#33

Post by thecatspaw »

thomasbibby wrote: post #31
flippinburgers wrote: post #24

This is not a tech article and shouldn't be listed. I read the summary of twitter remarks and am constantly amazed by how sensitive people appear to be. ... I should have left it alone as soon as I saw the comments about capitalism being shit and intersectionalism being a real thing.

I thought it offered some valid technical criticisms of React: specifically that it's over engineered and it results in a bad user experience, especially on mobile. I thought the article offered an interesting argument that front end development has suffered from increasing over-engineering in the last decade, and this over-engineering can be explained by cultural factors and the influence of large corporations like…

That would be fair critic points. Unfortunately the post gets overshadowed by the authors personal opinions

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by alessioalex »

_def wrote: post #14
alessioalex wrote: post #2

> Mobile devices simply don't have the CPU and memory to cope well with client-side JS apps. I think they do, but most client-side JS apps are horribly designed. They load the whole bundle at once, display ads, have setTimeouts and other unnecessary things that add to the bloat. Native apps aren't great either, I hate the Twitter and Reddit ones, they constantly fail to load stuff, block and restart.

> They load the whole bundle at once [...] Isn't this a good thing? Genuinely asking.

It depends. If I'm never planning on visiting the "live dashboard" of some website then all the extra code that is loaded for that feature is useless to me. That's why separate bundles exists (with browserify, webpack etc).

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

#35

Post by wnkrshm »

__exit__ wrote: post #26
k__ wrote: post #7

Someone wrongly accused a well known React dev of being a white supremacist for things that didn't happen. Now people are, rightfully, angered about the false accusations, but the accusers use this to say "see, we said you are toxic!" Guess we gonna have fallout from this bullshit a long time...

I don't understand anything at all. It seems some dev used an OK HAND emoji in some slides during some talk, and it was misinterpreted as the White Supremacist symbol or whatever. Someone felt attacked personally, criticized it on Twitter and now everything is going downhill...

This is the first time I've heard about this emoji being in some way connected to white suppremacy... is this a thing?

Edit: relevant wikipedia article [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#As_a_white_power_sy...

It seems online culture is so plastic that we can quickly see a move from irony/trolling to sincere usage. How is a person not at the fronts of where hateful groups and their opponents meet supposed to navigate a battlefield of memes and conventions that see distinct transitions in cultural symbols (like a phase change almost) from benign to harmful within weeks?

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

#36

Post by k__ »

wnkrshm wrote: post #35
__exit__ wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand anything at all. It seems some dev used an OK HAND emoji in some slides during some talk, and it was misinterpreted as the White Supremacist symbol or whatever. Someone felt attacked personally, criticized it on Twitter and now everything is going downhill...

This is the first time I've heard about this emoji being in some way connected to white suppremacy... is this a thing? Edit: relevant wikipedia article [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#As_a_white_power_sy... It seems online culture is so plastic that we can quickly see a move from irony/trolling to sincere usage. How is a person not at the fronts of where hateful groups and their opponents meet supposed t…

Yes, and he didn't know either and stopped using it after told so.

The problem here was that someone said he did it again, which he didn't.

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by k__ »

__exit__ wrote: post #28
sweeneyrod wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to the behaviour described here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4oh2GGZOsucZfT1YJ5wjDUS... (for instance using the words "guys", "stupid" and "crazy") or something else?

What's the source of that document? I found a page[0] with more info and link references to multiple sources that seems to explain everything in detail. [0]: https://dev.to/aryanjnyc/ken-wheeler-and-dan-abramov-deactiv...

Interesting that the Vue devs are the source of this.

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

#38

Post by layoutIfNeeded »

sweeneyrod wrote: post #25
bayesian_horse wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like the well known React developer has a somewhat more ... illustrous ... history of questionable behavior, so while he may not be an actually white supremacist, he does seem to fit a certain toxic mold. On the other hand, the mentioned female developer has probably had quite a lot of such experiences with direct and indirect racism, perceived or actual, but either she kept quiet or it didn't blow up that m…

Are you referring to the behaviour described here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4oh2GGZOsucZfT1YJ5wjDUS... (for instance using the words "guys", "stupid" and "crazy") or something else?

The word “guys” means something bad in the U.S.?

Sorry, English is not my native language, and I’m genuinely interested because I’ve been using this word quite often and didn’t know it’s offensive.

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by bayesian_horse »

layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #38
sweeneyrod wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to the behaviour described here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4oh2GGZOsucZfT1YJ5wjDUS... (for instance using the words "guys", "stupid" and "crazy") or something else?

The word “guys” means something bad in the U.S.? Sorry, English is not my native language, and I’m genuinely interested because I’ve been using this word quite often and didn’t know it’s offensive.

Depends on context. If you are a female developer and get constantly referred to as "guy" or to be part of "guys", it's at best annoying.

Just as "guys" don't like to get called "girls".

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

#40

Post by __exit__ »

wnkrshm wrote: post #35
__exit__ wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand anything at all. It seems some dev used an OK HAND emoji in some slides during some talk, and it was misinterpreted as the White Supremacist symbol or whatever. Someone felt attacked personally, criticized it on Twitter and now everything is going downhill...

This is the first time I've heard about this emoji being in some way connected to white suppremacy... is this a thing? Edit: relevant wikipedia article [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#As_a_white_power_sy... It seems online culture is so plastic that we can quickly see a move from irony/trolling to sincere usage. How is a person not at the fronts of where hateful groups and their opponents meet supposed t…

Quite some years ago I think that symbol was used among youngsters so that if you looked at the hand making the OK symbol people would make laugh of you. Not because of some white supremacism ideology, but because of young people's stupid jokes. Politics were not involved as far as I know.

Basically, a symbol for you to look at and the other person saying "Hah, you're an idiot!".

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