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YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

Youtube seems to have gone to a ridiculous extreme on filtering copyright material. They blocked a non-public video of my daughter's Irish step dance recital, because the live band played three traditional tunes in the same order as found on some commercial recording. It took months to get the "copyright holder" to grant us permission; ridiculous.

YT doesn't, and can't, have enough resources to correct every such situation, so they err on the side of the copyright holders. When they're receiving a billion submissions a day, the innocent ones caught in the net are just a rounding error.

I'm wondering whether Bitchute might take up the slack here.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by EvanAnderson »

wbhart wrote: post #21

It's ironic that a system of rules (DMCA) that was designed to help performers not lose revenue is actually causing a performer to lose revenue. Rousseau is one of the most recognised pianists on YouTube. He works tirelessly to perform a new piece about every week. This must be incredibly tiring, and the skill required to be able to do that week in, week out, is absolutely breathtaking. If anyone deserves to be made…

The DMCA is for publishers, not creators. If Rousseau would just conform to the system and give a publisher a cut everything would be fine. Independent creators have always been the enemy.

Edit: I am being completely sarcastic w/ respect to the second sentence. I believe that there are people (those who are enriched by the current copyright system) who do believe that, though.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by cameronbrown »

dpcan wrote: post #20

YouTube seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism when it's the repercussions of copyright infringement lawsuits that are the problem. I'm sure YouTube would love to be more lenient. If they could say "anything goes" they'd be thrilled, but we know they cannot because of the LAWS that are protecting IP owners. IP should be protected, but to what extent? And the bigger problem is the amount, and rate, of which con…

I'd argue dotcom domain squatting has a big part in the lack of names available. Eventually, most startups that could use them will go bust and sell the domain 5-10 years down the line anyway, it's outliers like google.com that are always going to be taken.

New namespaces like .app should help with the problem, but at the end of the day, the culture itself has a limited namespace.

I've always gotten fairly lucky with .coms for my projects (managed to snag feedsub.com recently, had minfolio.com at one point, etc..), though the ones I've let slip ended up being squatted upon for thousands of dollars because of their potential (I think) branding value, which is a shame because it could've been put to better use since I couldn't follow through with a project.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by izacus »

dpcan wrote: post #20

YouTube seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism when it's the repercussions of copyright infringement lawsuits that are the problem. I'm sure YouTube would love to be more lenient. If they could say "anything goes" they'd be thrilled, but we know they cannot because of the LAWS that are protecting IP owners. IP should be protected, but to what extent? And the bigger problem is the amount, and rate, of which con…

Meanwhile, book publishers are suing Amazon because they added a captioning feature to make audiobooks accessbile for copyright infringement: https://gizmodo.com/is-captioning-an-audiobook-illegal-major...

Reply All also has an interesting story about how impossible is it to have ANYONE accountable AT ALL for DMCA takedown machinery that harasses people: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/76h5ro A person got strikes on his internet connection due to previous owner and there was noone in the insane chain of IP strike machinery that could be appealed to or own up to the mistake.

The current state of copyright is so broken that it's downright evil.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by izacus »

quaquaqua1 wrote: post #23
dpcan wrote: post #20

YouTube seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism when it's the repercussions of copyright infringement lawsuits that are the problem. I'm sure YouTube would love to be more lenient. If they could say "anything goes" they'd be thrilled, but we know they cannot because of the LAWS that are protecting IP owners. IP should be protected, but to what extent? And the bigger problem is the amount, and rate, of which con…

The US government has two options as I see them: 1) Reform the copyright system (unlikely due to powerful lobbyists and lawyers) 2) Eventually lose control over the industry to other countries as consumers vote with their feet.

You missed:

3) Bribe and capture legal system so everyone is forced to pay to the big copyright owners and you can't vote with your feet anymore.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by izacus »

onli wrote: post #27
wbhart wrote: post #21

It's ironic that a system of rules (DMCA) that was designed to help performers not lose revenue is actually causing a performer to lose revenue. Rousseau is one of the most recognised pianists on YouTube. He works tirelessly to perform a new piece about every week. This must be incredibly tiring, and the skill required to be able to do that week in, week out, is absolutely breathtaking. If anyone deserves to be made…

Content ID is not the DMCA. Content ID got it wrong here, and that happens all the time. It's not a big deal for the claimer. Which is totally contrary to how DMCA works, if someone makes a wrong claim there it gets very expensive for them. Youtube could easily copy that aspect of the DMCA and make it very expensive for mis-claimers, and easy to counteract automatic mis-classification. That they don't has nothing dir…

> Content ID is not the DMCA. Content ID got it wrong here, and that happens all the time. It's not a big deal for the claimer. Which is totally contrary to how DMCA works, if someone makes a wrong claim there it gets very expensive for them.

That simply is not true. DMCA misclaims are pretty much not punished at all in practice.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by danso »

I have a slightly tangential question: can someone link to articles and writeups that discuss how YouTube and other platforms efficiently disambiguate between a valid/allowable recording and a prohibited recording, when the content between valid/prohibited is very similar or near identical in the most obvious features (e.g. rhythm and key).

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

izacus wrote: post #34
dpcan wrote: post #20

YouTube seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism when it's the repercussions of copyright infringement lawsuits that are the problem. I'm sure YouTube would love to be more lenient. If they could say "anything goes" they'd be thrilled, but we know they cannot because of the LAWS that are protecting IP owners. IP should be protected, but to what extent? And the bigger problem is the amount, and rate, of which con…

Meanwhile, book publishers are suing Amazon because they added a captioning feature to make audiobooks accessbile for copyright infringement: https://gizmodo.com/is-captioning-an-audiobook-illegal-major... Reply All also has an interesting story about how impossible is it to have ANYONE accountable AT ALL for DMCA takedown machinery that harasses people: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/76h5ro A person got str…

This is all historically bound up. Audiobooks and printed books used to be separate physical things. The publishing rights ecosystem was built assuming this.

Now that they're fungible, its not making much sense any more. But millions of publishing contracts exist, that enforce the distinction. What do we propose to do about it? Without dismantling fundamental contract definitions.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by dingo_bat »

wbhart wrote: post #21

It's ironic that a system of rules (DMCA) that was designed to help performers not lose revenue is actually causing a performer to lose revenue. Rousseau is one of the most recognised pianists on YouTube. He works tirelessly to perform a new piece about every week. This must be incredibly tiring, and the skill required to be able to do that week in, week out, is absolutely breathtaking. If anyone deserves to be made…

> Their competitors would also be having a field day.

What competitors? This is a classic monopoly and its a sham that Google hasn't been broken up.

Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition

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Post by [deleted] »

dpcan wrote: post #20

YouTube seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism when it's the repercussions of copyright infringement lawsuits that are the problem. I'm sure YouTube would love to be more lenient. If they could say "anything goes" they'd be thrilled, but we know they cannot because of the LAWS that are protecting IP owners. IP should be protected, but to what extent? And the bigger problem is the amount, and rate, of which con…

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