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Brazil's President Blames NGOs for Amazon Fires

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Re: Brazil's President Blames NGOs for Amazon Fires

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Bolsonaro's government is a criminal regime. One of his first goals was to destroy the agencies that regulate the environment and disable the reporting mechanisms (which were "fake news" according to him). He personally fired the president of INPE, a state research agency, for publicizing a report about Amazon deforestation.

I think he is trying to cut government down to size.

Re: Brazil's President Blames NGOs for Amazon Fires

#32
post #15

I see this meme pop up on social media all the time now about how the Amazon rainforest is burning and to spread the “awareness”. But really, what are you supposed to do? Merely being aware of some tragedy occurring far away doesn’t do anything. The people who perpetuated it don’t give a damn. Are we supposed to go put out the fires? Are we supposed to go kill the people who did this? If there’s nothing I can do, the…

The fire is not purposeless. The land will be reused for livestock, to have more cows and food for them as well. A big chunk of it will be exported to countries that buy these things. Chances are that it includes your country as well. So maybe rethinking your / your network diet is a big incentive to prevent further fires.

Despite that, your excerpt on "(...) they should be judged accordingly in the future." is almost a religious statement. Or maybe you are assuming that all Brazilians voted for the fires, so next time you see one you have a judgement to state? No matter the angle I look, this is a very unfortunate statement. Or more precisely "judgement" is a very unwise word choice I daresay.

Re: Brazil's President Blames NGOs for Amazon Fires

#33

Bolsonaro's government is a criminal regime. One of his first goals was to destroy the agencies that regulate the environment and disable the reporting mechanisms (which were "fake news" according to him). He personally fired the president of INPE, a state research agency, for publicizing a report about Amazon deforestation.

Similar things happening in Mexico under Obrador. The current government defunded some agencies and programs that were set to protect and monitor the environment. For instance, they stopped Satelital monitoring of forest fires, increased incentives for deforestation, reduced technical personnel, etc...

Mexico seems to be inverting the popular phrase: "You can't improve what You can't measure". They defunded an agency in charge of measuring effectiveness of governmental programs, eliminated testing requirement for teachers, etc...

Maybe their job is to sabotage their economies.

Re: Brazil's President Blames NGOs for Amazon Fires

#34
post #31

Bolsonaro's government is a criminal regime. One of his first goals was to destroy the agencies that regulate the environment and disable the reporting mechanisms (which were "fake news" according to him). He personally fired the president of INPE, a state research agency, for publicizing a report about Amazon deforestation.

I think he is trying to cut government down to size.

Anyone downvoting this must not know how big the Brazilian government is and how invasive it is in the lives of Brazilian citizens.

Re: Brazil's President Blames NGOs for Amazon Fires

#35
post #17

Bolsonaro's government is a criminal regime. One of his first goals was to destroy the agencies that regulate the environment and disable the reporting mechanisms (which were "fake news" according to him). He personally fired the president of INPE, a state research agency, for publicizing a report about Amazon deforestation.

Criminal? As opposed to which other governments?

Upvoted. Bolsonaro's government is a criminal regime in the same way that every Brazilian government has been criminal. You basically need to commit crimes to get elected in Brazil and commit more once you're elected to stay in power.

Re: Brazil's President Blames NGOs for Amazon Fires

#37

It is sad how Propaganda (repeated here in multiples comments) blames Bolsonaro, instead of finding out how the fires started and spread.

Well, could do your part by sourcing your allegation, instead of spreading FUD. It seems like believing it requires that groups dedicated to preserving the Amazon's rain forests are burning it, and ignores Bolsonaro's long and well-documented track record on the issue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jair_Bolsonaro#Environmental_p...

I don't see any long and well documented recored there, just a few declarations and an affirmation that Brazil "preserves more [rainforest] than anyone."

Blaming is bad for both Bolsonaro and the ones spreading the Propaganda.

One thing is clear: no one spreading the news will care in a week how it started and what can be done for preventing this happen again.

Re: Brazil's President Blames NGOs for Amazon Fires

#39

According to this NASA report, this is a natural occurrence on this time of the year: > As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years. Source: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-bra...

Interestingly, the URL used to have a different caption: https://web.archive.org/web/20190822024248/http://www.nasa.g... > Although it is not unusual to see fires in Brazil at this time of year due to high temperatures and low humidity it seems this year the number of fires may be record setting. According to Brazil’s space research center INPE almost 73,000 fires have been recorded so far this year. INPE is seeing a…

> 73,000 fires have been recorded so far this year. INPE is seeing an 83% increase over the same period in 2018.

Number of fires doesn't seem like a good measure. A simple change in how you distinguish between two fires in close proximity can dramatically change the numbers. Higher resolution measurements can allow you to distinguish between two fires that might have looked like one in years prior.

A much better measure would be to look at the quantity of surface area on fire.

Re: Brazil's President Blames NGOs for Amazon Fires

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post #15

I see this meme pop up on social media all the time now about how the Amazon rainforest is burning and to spread the “awareness”. But really, what are you supposed to do? Merely being aware of some tragedy occurring far away doesn’t do anything. The people who perpetuated it don’t give a damn. Are we supposed to go put out the fires? Are we supposed to go kill the people who did this? If there’s nothing I can do, the…

> Merely being aware of some tragedy occurring far away doesn’t do anything. The first step on the long road of change is acknowledging that a problem exists. Just because you can't imagine how you can effect change, doesn't mean it isn't possible. Problems of this scale require a sufficiently scaled solution. Economic sanctions and treaties would provide incentives for change. Hit Brazil's government and business le…

> Hit Brazil's government and business leaders where it hurts: their wallets

This also hurts ordinary citizens in Brazil trying to make a living.

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