How much would one need to pay per square kilometer rainforrest for keeping it to be competitive against steak/soy-farming?
Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest
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#32Brasil needs to be heavily sanctioned by the international community, I'm talking Cuba-level stuff if we want to even have a chance at stopping the rise above 2 degrees, we only have 12 years which means that it's already probably too late. More worrying is the rise of populism in the world supported by fake news, ignorance and social media that led to this. How did someone as ignorant as Bolsonaro ever managed to ge…
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you burn down your house and the fire spills over to my house, it stops being just your problem.
Has the fire spilled over other country?
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#35Brasil needs to be heavily sanctioned by the international community, I'm talking Cuba-level stuff if we want to even have a chance at stopping the rise above 2 degrees, we only have 12 years which means that it's already probably too late. More worrying is the rise of populism in the world supported by fake news, ignorance and social media that led to this. How did someone as ignorant as Bolsonaro ever managed to ge…
> How did someone as ignorant as Bolsonaro ever managed to get elected as president of a democratic country, and get away with some of the things he says?
Just like Trump, probably.
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#36Is anyone surprised? It's easy to be upset over this but most readers here live relatively privileged lives. The poor farmer lighting a fire is doing his best to improve his life by clearing more land. I don't know to improve the situation but I feel like we also need to have empathy and understanding.
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#37Brasil needs to be heavily sanctioned by the international community, I'm talking Cuba-level stuff if we want to even have a chance at stopping the rise above 2 degrees, we only have 12 years which means that it's already probably too late. More worrying is the rise of populism in the world supported by fake news, ignorance and social media that led to this. How did someone as ignorant as Bolsonaro ever managed to ge…
Would be all for the sanctions, but the EU just signed a free trade agreement with Brazil (Mercosur). That agreement put Brazil's farmers at an advantage, they can now sell to the EU, and produce cheaper than European farmers. If anything that accelerated the trend we see now in the Amazon.
Also, Trump's trade war with China led China to heavily invest in Brazil's soy. Another accelerator of Amazon burning.
So, after all it isn't just Bolsonaro, it is also our (the western world) fault. The officials we elected allow for this in the first place.
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#38Is anyone surprised? It's easy to be upset over this but most readers here live relatively privileged lives. The poor farmer lighting a fire is doing his best to improve his life by clearing more land. I don't know to improve the situation but I feel like we also need to have empathy and understanding.
AFAICT this is not a matter of small farmers clearing a bit of land in order to survive. It's a matter of huge cattle producers and industrial soy farms burning clear vast swathes of the Amazon jungle, for profit.
And producing soy in Brazil has become even more profitable now that the US vs China trade war is in full swing and the Chinese have stopped purchasing US soy. There’s no easy solution for this in an world as inter-connected as ours, apart from breaking all said connections (for example the Chinese reverting to only eating things that they actually grow in their land, which will most probably create a mass famine or two) or somehow for us to consume a lot less things, which hasn’t been the case for at least 200 years (since the Industrial Revolution started).
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#39The sad part of reading news like this is the feeling of paralysis and helplessness of watching it all unfold. There are no actionable calls to action or advice laid out in articles like these. Awareness is good though. Perhaps it inspires people to work directly on solving nature's greatest problems. A friend of mine made a GitHub curated list about tech companies working in this space. https://github.com/nglgzz/awe…
Individual action is very limited. Collective action is the only way forwards, which means you're going to have to get political, and convince other people that it's real, important, and deserving of action.
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#40Is anyone surprised? It's easy to be upset over this but most readers here live relatively privileged lives. The poor farmer lighting a fire is doing his best to improve his life by clearing more land. I don't know to improve the situation but I feel like we also need to have empathy and understanding.
The poor farmer lighting a fire is doing his best to improve his life by clearing more land.
Ah yes, the "think of the poor" argument. Deforestation at this scale isn't done by individual poor, it's done by wealthy organizations.