NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded • Hacker News Board

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 5:05 AM UTC

tunesmith wrote: post #19

numakerg wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does ESO own any stock in this company? >The average American has a carbon footprint that can be offset with a $20 per month subscription You have a source on that?

The average American has a 20-ton / year carbon footprint. Offsetting 20 tons per year has a cost that ranges depending on what service you use. I've seen estimates of $6-10/ton - $20/month is $12/ton. Edit: for the average american footprint, you can easily find the stat that the US emitted 5.268 GtCO2 in 2018. There are 327.16 million people in the US. From that I get more like 16 tons/year per person, so 20 is out…

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Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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Post by Baeocystin » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 5:08 AM UTC

yters wrote: post #30

What percentage of the earth's temperature history have we recorded?

All of it. At various granularities of measurement.

For what we would consider modern, direct methodologies, about 150 years. Think mid- to late 1800's.

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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Post by sanxiyn » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 5:09 AM UTC

abootstrapper wrote: post #17

There is a bipartisan carbon fee and dividend bill in the United States Congress right now with 59 sponsors[1], called The Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act (H.R. 763)[2]. This bill puts a fee on fossil fuels that grows over time. The money collected (minus administrative costs) is paid back to every American to spend as they see fit. Citizen's Climate Lobby is a bipartisan organization of regular people tryi…

I am not familiar with US politics, but looking at your link, the bill is sponsored by 58 Democrats and 1 Republicans. Is it a usual practice to describe such bills as bipartisan?

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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Post by yters » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 5:13 AM UTC

Baeocystin wrote: post #32

yters wrote: post #30

What percentage of the earth's temperature history have we recorded?

All of it. At various granularities of measurement. For what we would consider modern, direct methodologies, about 150 years. Think mid- to late 1800's.

So, are you saying this is the hottest July in 4.5 billion years, or that this is the hottest July in 150 years, which is 0.00003% of the earth's history? Two fairly different claims.

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Post by jahewson » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 5:20 AM UTC

egdod wrote: post #21

... by 0.05 degrees Fahrenheit. I wonder what the error bars are on that number.

That’s the increase in the global average, over just three years ago!

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Post by pavs » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 5:22 AM UTC

abootstrapper wrote: post #17

There is a bipartisan carbon fee and dividend bill in the United States Congress right now with 59 sponsors[1], called The Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act (H.R. 763)[2]. This bill puts a fee on fossil fuels that grows over time. The money collected (minus administrative costs) is paid back to every American to spend as they see fit. Citizen's Climate Lobby is a bipartisan organization of regular people tryi…

This will never pass. This is not simply me being pessimistic. US current government doesn't believe in climate change, and doing everything in its power to roll back whatever progress was made in the last decade or so. The current senate majority is a puppet of the government and will not pass anything Trump doesnt want. And even in the extreme unlikely scenario of it getting passed. It will get vetoed.

Since getting downvoted, maybe people don't know Trump's relationship with climate change:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-envir...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/02/15-wa...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Do...

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Post by Baeocystin » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 5:23 AM UTC

yters wrote: post #34

Baeocystin wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of it. At various granularities of measurement. For what we would consider modern, direct methodologies, about 150 years. Think mid- to late 1800's.

So, are you saying this is the hottest July in 4.5 billion years, or that this is the hottest July in 150 years, which is 0.00003% of the earth's history? Two fairly different claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_periods_and_events_in_...

You may find this information useful.

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Post by throwaway010718 » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 5:24 AM UTC

As much as I want to believe climate change can mitigated by individuals making conscientious decisions, it seems as naive as telling someone in 1970 that if they care about the smog then they can just buy a catalytic converter for their own car.

Climate change progress, like the catalytic converter, will be 1% innovation and 99% legislation. If you care about this problem please vote. Voting is arguably the most important action you can take.

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Post by jbay808 » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 5:25 AM UTC

yters wrote: post #34

Baeocystin wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of it. At various granularities of measurement. For what we would consider modern, direct methodologies, about 150 years. Think mid- to late 1800's.

So, are you saying this is the hottest July in 4.5 billion years, or that this is the hottest July in 150 years, which is 0.00003% of the earth's history? Two fairly different claims.

Probably the hottest July since it started being called July.

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Post by malandrew » Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 5:27 AM UTC

You have a sphere. How do you distribute sensors over the surface of the sphere so you can accurate measure the true average temperature of the sphere?

If you have one sensor, you can't measure an average. Add a sensor on the other size and you have a better chance of measuring an average but still a lot of room for error.

Now add 100 more. If they are evenly distribute over the surface of the sphere you're likely to get a reasonable approximation of average.

If, however, all those sensors are cluster around a single pole, then you effectively get accurate of measurement comparable to when you only had a single sensor.

With this all in mind how are the world's sensors whose data is the basis of this article arranged on Planet Earth and do we know how much that deviates from actual average temperature?

The reason I pose this because the majority of people live in places with temperatures agreeable to the human body and many of the humanities sensors will be measuring these places but won't include what's happening in all the other areas of the world that are generally outside that livable range.

Just something to think about when we talk about global averages.