Socialite Cordelia Scaife May Spent Her Fortune Trying to Keep Immigrants Out

Post by p1necone » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:40 AM UTC

ajxs wrote: post #27

neetdeth wrote: post #8

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Money does seem to be the only way to get even a hint of policy change from Washington, but the trend line of public opinion is opposite of what you suggest. Until around 1995, immigration restriction was overwhelmingly mainstream in the United States and still commands a strong plurality. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx I'd further point out that the overwhelming majority of the moneyed interests…

This is the fantastic irony of the completely false dichotomy that the public imagines mainstream politics to be. The modern left seems to paradoxically be supporting open-borders _and_ worker's rights. Normally I would further qualify that statement by attributing such sentiments to the _far_ left, but this seems to be a fairly mainstream position based upon what we saw in the Democratic Primary debates recently. I…

Post by fzeroracer » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:44 AM UTC

ajxs wrote: post #27

neetdeth wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money does seem to be the only way to get even a hint of policy change from Washington, but the trend line of public opinion is opposite of what you suggest. Until around 1995, immigration restriction was overwhelmingly mainstream in the United States and still commands a strong plurality. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx I'd further point out that the overwhelming majority of the moneyed interests…

This is the fantastic irony of the completely false dichotomy that the public imagines mainstream politics to be. The modern left seems to paradoxically be supporting open-borders _and_ worker's rights. Normally I would further qualify that statement by attributing such sentiments to the _far_ left, but this seems to be a fairly mainstream position based upon what we saw in the Democratic Primary debates recently. I…

Post by deogeo » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 2:55 AM UTC

p1necone wrote: post #31

ajxs wrote: post #27

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This is the fantastic irony of the completely false dichotomy that the public imagines mainstream politics to be. The modern left seems to paradoxically be supporting open-borders _and_ worker's rights. Normally I would further qualify that statement by attributing such sentiments to the _far_ left, but this seems to be a fairly mainstream position based upon what we saw in the Democratic Primary debates recently. I…

I imagine a lot of people see the American right literally throwing children into internment camps and don't really think much further than "let's do the opposite of that".

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 3:00 AM UTC

neetdeth wrote: post #32

Spooky23 wrote: post #28

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Didn’t say that. When I worked on the farm in the 90s, the classic rock in the barn was swapped out for Rush every afternoon. When I go back home, it’s pretty much the same, except most of the farms are out of business. If you’re from a white collar, suburban background, you just can’t understand. Most media is New York/LA centric, and conservative outlets reject that.

I'm not, actually. My own father was one of those three hours a day dittoheads. It's easy to identify propaganda in microcosm, it's harder to see the same thing writ large. I find that most white collar suburbanites I meet have a great number of received opinions and rarely examine the sources of such. Could be I just misinterpreted your comment.

Post by supercow12 » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 3:20 AM UTC

ajxs wrote: post #34

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> I find it difficult to believe that a pro-trade union candidate like Bernie Sanders does not understand the basic laws of supply/demand: How a supply of cheap labour affects the wages of the individual employee. This interview would indicate that he understands that, and wants to restrict immigration for that very reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0 Edit: The interview is from 2015, so it may be tha…

( Without watching said interview, I'm in the office and don't have headphones ) Did Sanders not indicate his support for decriminalisation of illegal border crossing in the primaries? I would hardly take that as an endorsement of restricting immigration.