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Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why the contempt? i suspect you might brush it off as humor, but your statements belie a contempt for the group. why, in this context?

Is it ? Or just have differing stance and opinion ?

"preening narcissists" isn't exactly a respectful, discussion-engendering term.

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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I don't see how this would work. Creators are from all across the world and many of them have to deal with wildly different issues due to a differing legal system. Furthermore, being a youtuber isn't something that's clearly defined either, because there are many that create content for a bit and then never create content again.

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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what is it about collective action that triggers contempt so quickly and automatically for those attempting to organize? many comments in this thread show contempt for the organizers in a way that is readily visible.

Because the resuls of collective action isn't always fair for society. Many countries have an HDD/CD/DVD tax, because of (basically) collective action by artists. I don't see this as being fair. Why do I have to pay more when buying a HDD so that artists I'm never ever going to listen to can get more money?

I understand that collective action is often beneficial, but these bad examples are enough to make me annoyed at it.

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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What they should do is collectively take their content somewhere else. As an aside, I'm seeing the same pattern at Amazon. People thought they were opening a business on amazon selling retail. Then amazon started selling the profitable products themselves, storing the products themselves, ... basically doing more and more of the work and taking more control and taking money from the people who helped them become powe…

> What they should do is collectively take their content somewhere else.

The problem is the economics won't be any better anywhere else. Youtube is the way it is because of all the many stakeholders (viewers responding to clickbait, politicians, copyright holders, bad actors etc). Any other platform would eventually have the same problems and either cave into them, or be sued into oblivion.

As for the ad-related issues Youtube isn't profitable, and it's clear people aren't yet willing to pay for it.

The reason for "Repackage scenes from movies, previews, upload documentaries, sports clips" is because that's what people want to view quite simply. Those videos have millions of views.

Youtube certainly could do a lot better, but you have to at least understand the factors that pour into why it's struggling. Managing communities is hard. Managing a platform where 300 hours of video are uploaded every minute is very hard.

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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What they should do is collectively take their content somewhere else. As an aside, I'm seeing the same pattern at Amazon. People thought they were opening a business on amazon selling retail. Then amazon started selling the profitable products themselves, storing the products themselves, ... basically doing more and more of the work and taking more control and taking money from the people who helped them become powe…

What is also both gross and sad is your contemptuous description of YouTube videos as being “Repackage scenes from movies, previews, upload documentaries, sport clips”

Setting aside derivative works, which it sounds like you are attacking the value of, there is shit tons of purely original content on YouTube that carries a lot of negotiating power.

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why the contempt? i suspect you might brush it off as humor, but your statements belie a contempt for the group. why, in this context?

Is it ? Or just have differing stance and opinion ?

is it reasonable readers might notice “preening narcissists”?

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

#38

what is it about collective action that triggers contempt so quickly and automatically for those attempting to organize? many comments in this thread show contempt for the organizers in a way that is readily visible.

Old days people ascribe many businesses imploding because of union intransigence, some of which was true. These days those in the know of the fleecing of the taxpayer by government employee unions at state, county, and city, levels. The very same groups betting on a Federal Bailout to their bloated and grandiose pension plans.

Using Illinois as an example [1] but understand that Chicago is in bad shape with the inability to pay their required money by 2021 and many other towns and even states have similar issues.

the real one percent... earned all on the backs of mom and pa and betting they can keep up the 100k per year gravy trains

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2018/10/26/ill...

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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post #25

What they should do is collectively take their content somewhere else. As an aside, I'm seeing the same pattern at Amazon. People thought they were opening a business on amazon selling retail. Then amazon started selling the profitable products themselves, storing the products themselves, ... basically doing more and more of the work and taking more control and taking money from the people who helped them become powe…

> The internet has turned to garbage. The ad-supported internet has turned to garbage. The academic and hobbyist internet is fine, and not that much different from the old days. The governmental internet depends a lot on where you are, but .gov.uk is really rather good, and vastly better at what it does than snailmail and Post Offices were in the old days.

I went to a government website the other day. 5 pages of forms I filled out several times. Each time on the final page, "system error, cannot proceed."

I called the agency, they said, "You should print out the PDF, fill that out and bring it to our office."

Can you believe that?? There aren't enough programmers to make the .gov stuff work right because FAANG is buying them all. So, I'm not sure you are right on that.

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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What they should do is collectively take their content somewhere else. As an aside, I'm seeing the same pattern at Amazon. People thought they were opening a business on amazon selling retail. Then amazon started selling the profitable products themselves, storing the products themselves, ... basically doing more and more of the work and taking more control and taking money from the people who helped them become powe…

> What they should do is collectively take their content somewhere else.

You can post digital content on multiple platforms at the same time.

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