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Re: Anxiety Looks Different in Men

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Many anxious men (and women) aren't suffering from an anxiety disorder. Their anxiety is a perfectly reasonable response to the life they are living. I'm fine with therapy, meditation, and medication as long as they aren't used as tools to make it bearable to stay in a bad situation.

First off, sometimes life circumstances are not changeable. Second off, any therapist worth anything will help you figure out what changes you could make in your life that would help your mental health. Third off, getting relief from some severity of symptoms, through any means, does not keep one from using the information in those symptoms.

Re: Anxiety Looks Different in Men

#32
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well said. Anxiety is sometimes a signal that there's an underlying imbalance in your life. Just like you start tearing up when you feel sad. Crying isn't bad in that scenario. Anxiety works similarly. You gotta start asking yourself, why am I feeling anxious? Where could my life be out of balance?

What if the anxiety seems to come from a place of the entire human society being out of balance? I pretty much think if you're not feeling anxious, you're not paying attention.

Do you think that society is more out of balance now than it was 30, 50, 70, or 100 years ago?

If so, I’ll be glib and say you haven’t paid enough attention to history :-)

To pick a random anecdote, in the past senators have been physically attacked and maimed by their colleagues on the senate floor, i.e. while at work.

Campaigns were dirtier than they are now. Politicians would accuse each other of being murderers and even cannibals. (e.g. look up the coffin bills and Andrew Jackson.)

The mainstream media printed many things that would be unacceptable today. (Jon Stewart had a good bit about this a long time ago.)

Not to mention the total war involving multiple continents that happened a couple times in the last century...

Not to say we should think that stuff will never happen again. It absolutely could. But depending on your viewpoint we’ve always been on the brink of collapse, or on the brink of greatness, etc.

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Also, I don't believe that reading or watching news counts as "paying attention", especially if you're not in the position to take any action as a result (i.e. you don't work in politics, policy, etc.).

It's generally a very passive activity. The time would be better spent observing what's going on in your town/city rather than "the world". Or even just doing something constructive in your area of expertise, e.g. writing free software, etc.

Re: Anxiety Looks Different in Men

#33
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That's because as men: We aren't allowed to be a worrier, anxious, etc. We're expected to be confident and assertive. If we aren't then we possibly suffer rejection in relationships and we get socially isolated.

This is a pretty good explanation of a large aspect of what falls under the concept dubbed "toxic masculinity."

Which that term is used to describe someone. I'm talking about the expectations that others re-enforce on to people.

Re: Anxiety Looks Different in Men

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That's because as men: We aren't allowed to be a worrier, anxious, etc. We're expected to be confident and assertive. If we aren't then we possibly suffer rejection in relationships and we get socially isolated.

Similarly, men often don't have the emotional support structures that women do. Speaking anecdotally, women confide in their friends much more readily and about more serious topics - the kind of topic that men might take 4 drinks to get up the nerve to address. Men aren't "allowed" to be emotionally vulnerable around anyone except their most trusted confidantes, which often ends up being their girlfriend or wife. And…

> anyone except their most trusted confidantes,

With men, that's even an issue. There are many stories where their partner had a loss of attraction due to that. (Crappy partner..yes But for men, you really don't have that much choice)

Re: Anxiety Looks Different in Men

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post #25
post #6

Many anxious men (and women) aren't suffering from an anxiety disorder. Their anxiety is a perfectly reasonable response to the life they are living. I'm fine with therapy, meditation, and medication as long as they aren't used as tools to make it bearable to stay in a bad situation.

This comment couldn't be more counter-productive. The article makes it clear that a feeling of anxiety at certain times is completely normal; it is when that anxiety is affects your daily life, causing you distress, or leads to depression or harm should it be concidered an anxiety disorder. The article notes that men can react to or present with anxiety differently; and that representation is ignored, leading to a re…

> ...it is when that anxiety is affects your daily life, causing you distress, or leads to depression or harm should it be concidered an anxiety disorder.

But what if your lifestyle is the cause of that anxiety / depression? I think that's what the commenter was trying to say.

Imagine working long hours in a job you hate to barely live pay check to pay check, and on top of that you're in a poor relationship. Every minute of every day is worrying about paying your next bill. You have no savings and are in debt. You haven't been on vacation in 15+ years and every time you enter your apartment, it's uncomfortable because you either fight with your partner or you ignore each other, but you stay together because you can't afford to live on your own.

On top of that your diet is garbage because poor nutritional foods are usually cheaper than healthy foods unless you're a master cook, but who has the time or energy for that with the above life style.

The above is pretty common for a lot of people. Maybe not everything happens to everyone at once, but all it takes is to be in a shitty work situation for little pay (very common) and that's enough to train your brain into thinking life is an un-escapable torture chamber.

You'd have to be crazy not to always be on edge and depressed if that was your life day in and day out.

Fortunately I'm not talking from personal experience from all of the above but I do like psychology and a number of respectful psychologists are in agreement that you can get in a very bad mental state from your life style and a lot of people have made drastic mental health improvements by removing the things that cause them daily stress.

Re: Anxiety Looks Different in Men

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This surprises me as a male who suffers from anxiety and exhibits none of these symptoms. To be more specific my anxiety manifests as a feeling of unease, sometimes fear; and at times blends in with OCD where I become unsure of my short term memory and whether or not something did or did not happen.

I was only recently diagnosed with anxiety after spending thousands and thousands on an emergency room visit and visits to a cardiologist, and I work for a healthcare company with free access to GPs! I had a variety of symptoms and none of them immediately seemed to shout "anxiety" to my physicians. I was given dozens of blood screenings, X-Rays, CT Scans, EKGs, Echocardiograms, stress tests, sleep studies, only to b…

Have you had any mood / behavioral changes from the lexapro? I similarly stacked up a ton of doctor visits due to dizziness, chest tightness, blood pressure spikes, etc...

My doc is leaning towards the same generalized axiety /panic disorder, but were currently experimenting with just taking an antihistamine to calm down. "Real" medication is the next step, but, honestly, the thought of having to take something "altering" for the rest of my life is itself anxiety causing.

The most bizarre thing with the whole whole anxiety business was its sudden onset. Everything was fine, and then one day it wasn't.

Re: Anxiety Looks Different in Men

#37
post #6

Many anxious men (and women) aren't suffering from an anxiety disorder. Their anxiety is a perfectly reasonable response to the life they are living. I'm fine with therapy, meditation, and medication as long as they aren't used as tools to make it bearable to stay in a bad situation.

Life isn’t static either. Stress levels are normally peaking in late 20s/early 30s and then gradually declining until I think 70s?

Anyways, yeah make moves to make your life better, but generally speaking good luck to you all on the field of battle in the middle years ;-).

Re: Anxiety Looks Different in Men

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the anxiety seems to come from a place of the entire human society being out of balance? I pretty much think if you're not feeling anxious, you're not paying attention.

You might like the book Lost Connections by Johann Hari. The premise of the book, from what I can remember, is a mix between yours and GP's comment. It's basically that things are being over-prescribed, such as depression if you haven't stopped grieving after a year from the death of a loved one, as well as it happening more because our basic human structures are crumbling (namely, community). I definitely want to do…

I'm glad somebody mentioned this book, I was just about to reply with it myself. I'd summarize the core premise as anxiety and depression, while some people are more naturally predisposed to them, aren't things that "just happen", and it's not your brain suddenly misfiring for no reason.

Our culture has become increasingly individualized and isolated, in contrast to millions of years of evolutionary selection for tribal behavior in the great apes. Anxiety is a natural response to being separated from your tribe, since it increases your risk exposure to many things. It's not enough to just have colleagues or acquaintances, but people who actually know and care about you and will notice if you're missing or if something is wrong.

A fantastic book. I borrowed it from the library, but I think I'm going to buy my own copy.

Re: Anxiety Looks Different in Men

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a pretty good explanation of a large aspect of what falls under the concept dubbed "toxic masculinity."

Which that term is used to describe someone. I'm talking about the expectations that others re-enforce on to people.

Those cultural expectations and societies reinforcement of them also fall under that term.

Re: Anxiety Looks Different in Men

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Anxiety is one of the emotions that I have to consciously think about how to express. I have to imagine what people look like in the movies when they're scared, and then I try to reproduce it. I can show many other emotions naturally, without thinking about it: happiness, anger, disgust. But fear I have to consciously simulate. (I suppose if I was in a bus going off the edge of a cliff or someone stuck a gun in my face, my repressive instincts would be overcome and I'd look terrified, but in normal situations it doesn't come out.) I think I've internalized the ability to hide it, to camouflage it as annoyance or boredom, so thoroughly that I have to layer a bad acting job over my lockdown of the natural expression.

I didn't know this until I got in group therapy and realized that many of the other people in my group (the women, in fact) didn't register the fact that I was feeling a lot of anxiety, even though I talked about all the time. When I talked about it, they didn't see any reflection of it in my face or body language, so what I said didn't register. I could say that I was feeling anxious, I could tell them about situations where I was paralyzed with anxiety, and still the absence of the expression they expected outweighed what I was telling them. They even accused me of withholding and not being open about my feelings until I learned how to act it out for them. I had to fake it to be accepted as authentic; my words were not enough.

This knowledge has proved to be very important to me. I realized that in many situations where I have mentioned my fear of something without expressing it physically, people have assumed I was lying. For example, when I talk about my fear of the financial consequences of a purchase, if I don't show fear, my wife may assume my fear is not real, and I'm making up an excuse because I want to spend the money on something else. Also, in situations where everybody else is feeling and expressing fear, if I don't consciously produce an expression of fear, I will come off as apathetic and detached.

It's very, very frustrating. From a young age we learn we are punished for showing fear, conditioned to hide it, and then later we realize there are situations where we are punished for our inability to show it.

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