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FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Sure, it would help. If the caller ID number was related to the true owner, phone companies would stop the scammers and citizens could log spam calls then sue the owners. The law allows you to collect cash penalties from anyone spam calling.

Good luck suing a call center in Bangalore when you live in the U.S.

If I could block all calls from Bangalore, that would be good enough for me.

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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It seems that phone companies won't do anything about it. Nor the FCC There's a bunch of solutions. I received 19 spam calls spoofing cell numbers. That's a felony I suggest everyone that get an illeagl robo call to call your rep Everytime. Ask them to block India entirely. The problem would be solved very quickly. Or block all calls from Florida and Texas. The nuclear option The basic one is just waste their time. A…

I started doing that once. After 2 or 3 of those time wasting calls, I got one that the person said "Thank you for playing , you will continue to receive calls" and they hung up. IOW: They have so many resources available, and it is so cheap for them to make the calls, that even after they knew I was going to waste their time, they continued the calls. This was after I had tried their options for "press 1 to be remov…

> I started doing that once. After 2 or 3 of those time wasting calls, I got one that the person said "Thank you for playing , you will continue to receive calls" and they hung up.

Should have shot back real quick "enjoy shitting into an open hole, Hindu bro".

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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The solution doesn't have to be at the phone network level either. It would be easy enough for a regulator to simply fine any company whose products are advertised or sold through telemarketing. Make it the companies problem that some of their marketing contractors or affiliate schemes lead to illegal calling.

Forget fines. Everyone in the company needs to be charged with felonies under Rico Spoofing numbers could be considered a criminal organization Take down every single person

That's a little excessive. The janitor was told that they were a legitimate marketing org, and it's completely unreasonable to expect them to investigate enough to find otherwise.

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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They haven’t fixed it. They just made what scammers do illegal for one more reason. Unless they make telecommunication operators liable, this will remain a problem.

Yep. Solution is recursive fines. Spam calls from network provider? Issue a warning. Keep it up? The fines start and don't stop coming in until the calls stop. They ignore the fines and are outside your jurisdiction? Warn every company they transit through. They don't block them? The fines start. Rinse, repeat, until you find someone who you can effectively fine or who cares about the warnings (because you can effectively fine them) and they either bring down the banhammer (which those other entities will care about, even if they don't care about the fines) or they find a technical solution.

These calls are largely preying on the elderly. They're despicable and it's disgusting it's taken us so long to stop them—there's no excuse, it's not like human beings don't control every part of what's happening, this isn't some force of nature. Nuke them from orbit.

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Is it currently feasible for carriers to block these calls? Like, it should be easy enough to check if the call originated internationally but the area code is domestic. This regulation would appear to compell carriers to act on that.

Apparently, this will break a lot of (cough) features (cough) that no one uses, like call forwarding. I also wonder if this will break VOIP systems that small businesses use?

The reality is that no one should care. The telephone system is broken when most of the calls we get are fraudulent. I want my phone to be useful; I don't care if fixing it breaks some phone system set up by a sketchy IT wannabe.

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Seriously, if you have a good data plan, why have a phone number? The phone system is so laughably insecure and limited compared to the voip alternatives. And so riddled with SPAM. There are SIP bridges to it, for the legacy calls.

Everyone expects you to have a phone number for some things. Certainly many online services expect you to be reachable via SMS for 2-factor auth. VOIP service plus a semi-decent data plan is at least as expensive as just adding on voice, and then you have two bills instead of one. You can simply ignore calls when you're not expecting one—if it actually matters they'll leave a voicemail. Those get transcribed so I don't even need to listen to see whether it was a scam or something important.

It has made phone calls probably the worst way to reach me, though. Not sure why I don't receive more text spam, which is nearly nonexistent—must be some technical reason.

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Sure, it would help. If the caller ID number was related to the true owner, phone companies would stop the scammers and citizens could log spam calls then sue the owners. The law allows you to collect cash penalties from anyone spam calling.

Telco billing records are very detailed. They can identify the call from the time it reached you and know who initiated it (their customer or some specific other telco). The fact you see the originating number is irrelevant to the telco and shouldn't matter for any applicable law. To sue someone, the court would still need to ask the telco about the owner of the number. Right now they would need to ask for the initia…

Getting those records would likely require a lawyer and that would require a lot of spam calls. I'm talking about suing in small claims court which would be more likely for most people. Having a true caller ID would put a critical document directly in the citizens hands.

Re: FCC closes telemarketing loophole used by scammers

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Good luck suing a call center in Bangalore when you live in the U.S.

If appropriate laws existed, you could still put pressure on them. Something like "if your international partner sends more than X spam calls, you're responsible for them". The telco would have a choice of getting fined or dropping the interconnect / filtering that source. On the other side, the telco in Bangalore doesn't want to lose the ability to handle calls to the US, so starts monitoring itself.

International phone companies could be required to put up a bond that citizens could sue against.
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