Terminating Service for 8Chan • Hacker News Board

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by dmix » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 2:05 AM UTC

barryhoodlum wrote: post #14

cameronbrown wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Having this content out in the open means we can monitor it. I totally get why Cloudflare would not want to do business with 8Chan, but every step towards pushing 8Chan and it's members underground is less visibility into the kind of people who operate on the site.

Having it out in the open also attracts the users in the first place.

How exactly is this stopping them?

They didn't post this on Twitter or FB already but every news media person found his manifesto quickly - just like they always do. There will be another 8chan to fill that void soon enough.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by shakna » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 2:05 AM UTC

krackers wrote: post #3

I thought they had just stated they weren't going to end suport: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20607945

They'd changed their mind by the end of the day.

> Late Sunday, following hours of public criticism, Cloudflare announced a major reversal, saying 8chan had gone too far and “repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.” Its access to Cloudflare services was scheduled to terminate at midnight Pacific time, making it more vulnerable to a potentially crippling cyberattack.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by selectodude » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 2:05 AM UTC

wbl wrote: post #28

sagichmal wrote: post #21

> Removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It’s not your role to address the “why”. As a platform you’re only obliged to deal with the “what” and the “how”. They now have one less platform to choose from, and their ability to do whatever it is they do is reduced. That’s a win, because wins don’t need to be absolute to count.

Cloudflare wasn't hosting them. NT technologies was, and still is.

Yeah but now they can be DDoS’d.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by umvi » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 2:05 AM UTC

It would be better if cloudflare terminated service for all media outlets. Every time you turn a mass shooting into a national spectacle, it inspires copycats in rapid succession as we've just seen.

Mass shootings (generally) don't kill that many people. They are scary, yes, but not that deadly (statistically). Keep it local news, don't publish the name of the killer, basically keep the story away from the front lines.

By turning every mass shooting into a hysterical emotional maelstrom, you signal a green light to all the other potential shooters that this is how you get attention.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by taneq » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 2:05 AM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #2

Another way to view this would be, "Cloudflare ends support for mass shooting early warning system."

“Trying to destroy an ant nest with a leaf blower”, like when Reddit shut down some of their more cesspooly subs.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by cromwellian » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 2:05 AM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #5

whatshisface wrote: post #2

Another way to view this would be, "Cloudflare ends support for mass shooting early warning system."

Yeah, the NSA reads all of our internet traffic but they don't pick up on this?

Did you read the killer's message? It amounted to "Tomorrows the day!" With no actionable information otherwise.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by n1231231231234 » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 2:05 AM UTC

"Some" will condemn this ban by appealing to freedom of speech. But freedom of speech is not absolute. Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, as per the Guardian:

"I am an unswerving advocate of freedom of expression, which is guaranteed under Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), but it is not absolute. Article 20 of the same covenant says: ‘Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law."[0]

As so often, different values are in tension with each other. And different societies draw the line at different places, somewhat favouring one or the other value. I hope we can agree that 8-chan, due to the lack of sensible moderation, is way past that line by all standards.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/apr/24/k...

Edit: to clarify, this is not meant to be a strawman. By "some", I don't mean some here or alike, but those in 8-chan , TD, etc., who have brought forward this argument in the past.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by sagichmal » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 2:05 AM UTC

wbl wrote: post #28

sagichmal wrote: post #21

> Removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It’s not your role to address the “why”. As a platform you’re only obliged to deal with the “what” and the “how”. They now have one less platform to choose from, and their ability to do whatever it is they do is reduced. That’s a win, because wins don’t need to be absolute to count.

Cloudflare wasn't hosting them. NT technologies was, and still is.

Hosting is an inexact but entirely acceptable term of art for the services that are provided by a CDN.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by ng12 » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 2:06 AM UTC

doctorpangloss wrote: post #18

krackers wrote: post #3

I thought they had just stated they weren't going to end suport: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20607945

Yes, but Cloudflare needs talented engineers, and talented engineers don’t sign up to serve clients like 8chan. Software doesn’t run on one person’s contrarian politics.

I think you'd find a great many talented engineers don't share the same politics you do, and an even greater number who are far too apolitical for it to factor into their job search.

Re: Terminating Service for 8Chan

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Post by adrr » Mon, Aug 05, 2019, 2:06 AM UTC

sagichmal wrote: post #21

> Removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It’s not your role to address the “why”. As a platform you’re only obliged to deal with the “what” and the “how”. They now have one less platform to choose from, and their ability to do whatever it is they do is reduced. That’s a win, because wins don’t need to be absolute to count.

I bet 8chan was on the free plan.