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FTC: Equifax might run out of cash, so please take the credit monitoring

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Re: FTC: Equifax might run out of cash, so please take the credit monitoring

#31
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If 150M people have suffered $125 in damages each, then Equifax needs to either pay out the $18B or declare insolvency.

after which their assets can be liquidated to pay off their debts to the people

As should the executives' assets.

Re: FTC: Equifax might run out of cash, so please take the credit monitoring

#32
post #15

$31 million is a laughably small amount of money to set aside for direct settlements in the biggest hack in all of history. Add three zeroes to that, probably still not enough. I spent three days figuring out this nightmarish credit reporting system and helping friends and family place freezes, as well as educating them to avoid all the horrible dark patterns on Equifax's site. What I want is about $2000 and the abil…

As part of the settlement you can charge for your hourly time that you had to spend figuring out credit monitoring

Comes out of the same $31 million. I'm unsure how distribution will work once more than $31 million is requested, but you're likely not going to see the full amount.

Re: FTC: Equifax might run out of cash, so please take the credit monitoring

#33
post #28

We need The Corporate Death Penalty and we need to be able to enforce it in such a way that intangible assets can't be copied over to another entity which is left to continue operations. Hard assets can be auctioned and used to pay unemployment claims and restitution. Jail time for senior leadership would be nice too.

I don't have a strong opinion either way on your corporate death penalty proposal, but I do strongly support jailing top-level executives for very long terms. We need to set examples. Everyone on this page[1] should be behind bars for I dunno, five years? Ten? If you don't want to risk that kind of sentence, then don't horde that kind of data. [1] https://www.equifax.com/about-equifax/corporate-leadership/

What kind of data? I’d understand people being this upset if Equifax actually had private data.

Equifax just has a bunch of essentially public financial data, addresses and such. None of that is actually private.

Re: FTC: Equifax might run out of cash, so please take the credit monitoring

#34

I'm sure I'm not the only one actually wishing they run out of money. I'd be happy to put them on a payment plan.

It won’t work like that, though. It’ll just mean that the 125 the vast majority of people expected will probably end up at 25 bucks each, depending on how many people requested the cash payout.

Re: FTC: Equifax might run out of cash, so please take the credit monitoring

#35
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If 150M people have suffered $125 in damages each, then Equifax needs to either pay out the $18B or declare insolvency.

150M people have not suffered $125 damages each

How much is your time worth?

Re: FTC: Equifax might run out of cash, so please take the credit monitoring

#36
"You might also be disappointed to learn that if you sign up for Equifax credit monitoring, they sell your data + require binding arbitration https://www.equifax.com/assets/corp/consumer-privacy-notice.... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA1KK-vUwAAmrnd.jpg"[0]

[0]https://twitter.com/hoofnagle/status/1156662788221050881

Re: FTC: Equifax might run out of cash, so please take the credit monitoring

#38

We need The Corporate Death Penalty and we need to be able to enforce it in such a way that intangible assets can't be copied over to another entity which is left to continue operations. Hard assets can be auctioned and used to pay unemployment claims and restitution. Jail time for senior leadership would be nice too.

'Jail time for senior leadership would be nice too'

'If you can't do the time don't do the crime' doesn't seem to apply except in very extreme cases like Enron

Re: FTC: Equifax might run out of cash, so please take the credit monitoring

#39

It seems absurd that they only need to allocate $31 million for "alternative payments" while the old CEO leaves with close to $20 million in bonuses [0], while the rest of the money in the settlement is basically reserved for them to pay themselves for their "free" credit monitoring. This whole situation was a good opportunity to set a precedent for companies not taking data security seriously. But they've instead sh…

This also:

> It was also revealed that three Equifax executives sold almost $1.8 million of their personal holdings of company shares days after Equifax discovered the breach but more than a month before the breach was made public.[0]

Nobody was prosecuted as a result.

They were literally promoting their own $16.95/month credit monitoring product (ID Patrol) on the original website about the breach before they were shamed into taking it down.

Executives profited. The CEO profited. The lawyers profited. And the shareholders lost little. The public is the only one paying the cost, and their information was largely shared with Equifax without express consent.

[0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-07/three-equ...

Re: FTC: Equifax might run out of cash, so please take the credit monitoring

#40
post #2

The FTC's FAQ that was updated: https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/refunds/eq... > 5. I thought I could choose $125 instead of free credit monitoring. What happened? > The public response to the settlement has been overwhelming. Millions of people have visited this site in just the first week. Because the total amount available for these alternative payments is $31 million, each person who takes the mo…

If 150M people have suffered $125 in damages each, then Equifax needs to either pay out the $18B or declare insolvency.

I say they extract it from the corporate officers by declaring any bonus payments they've returned over the last several years to be invalid and requiring them to be returned.

Then if there's any leftover money owed, forbid the company from paying out bonuses in the future until the debt is cleared.

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