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Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought

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Re: Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought

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Post by 8bitsrule »

18pfsmt wrote: post #28
QuickToBan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the official source: > The observed melt rates are up to two orders of magnitude greater than predicted by theory, challenging current simulations of ice loss from tidewater glaciers. Denial doesn't help. If you don't like the posts, you're free to go elsewhere. Civility is a two-way street.

>Denial doesn't help The problem is that people who do not want to enact federal policy that decimates the US economy (i.e. "Green New Deal"), are deemed "deniers." I'm not into extremism. The US emits 15% of GHG, and until you can get a commitment from countries where they are building new coal plants to this day, it's difficult to take seriously. "Since 2005 annual U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined by 758…

>federal policy that decimates the US economy

Either we tackle this problem in a timely way by choosing our tactics thoughtfully, or the near future will be decimated by an uncaring set of physics principles.

We must choose wisely.

Re: Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought

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Post by sbmthakur »

18pfsmt wrote: post #20

Here is the link to the actual report: https://science.sciencemag.org/cgi/doi/10.1126/science.aax35... People should try reading the actual science instead of some journalist's cherry-picked take on the science. It's also interesting that Disney ("evil media corporation") now controls NatGeo. As Bill Gates recently noted, climate alarmists are more of a problem than the "deniers." Here's a story from the BBC this wee…

The BBC story reminded me of Al Gore's 2006 prediction that stated unless nations took “drastic measures” then the Earth "would reach a point of no return within 10 years."[1]

It's weird how the deadline for point of no return is being pushed ahead every few years.

1. https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/annabel-scott/gore-dodges-fact-...

Re: Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought

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Post by yread »

sbmthakur wrote: post #32
18pfsmt wrote: post #20

Here is the link to the actual report: https://science.sciencemag.org/cgi/doi/10.1126/science.aax35... People should try reading the actual science instead of some journalist's cherry-picked take on the science. It's also interesting that Disney ("evil media corporation") now controls NatGeo. As Bill Gates recently noted, climate alarmists are more of a problem than the "deniers." Here's a story from the BBC this wee…

The BBC story reminded me of Al Gore's 2006 prediction that stated unless nations took “drastic measures” then the Earth "would reach a point of no return within 10 years." [1] It's weird how the deadline for point of no return is being pushed ahead every few years. 1. https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/annabel-scott/gore-dodges-fact-...

So, when do you think the point of no return is now? I've read that even if we stop all CO2 emissions now the heating will continue for quite some time before nature gets the 410ppm back to 350ppm or wherever it needs to be for stable state. So, in a way we're way past the point of no return and we probably were in 2006 already.

Ah yes, looking into it further, here is the claim: "25-50 years are needed for Earth’s surface temperature to reach 60 percent of its equilibrium response"

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/early/2005/04/28/...

Re: Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought

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Post by QuickToBan »

18pfsmt wrote: post #28
QuickToBan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the official source: > The observed melt rates are up to two orders of magnitude greater than predicted by theory, challenging current simulations of ice loss from tidewater glaciers. Denial doesn't help. If you don't like the posts, you're free to go elsewhere. Civility is a two-way street.

>Denial doesn't help The problem is that people who do not want to enact federal policy that decimates the US economy (i.e. "Green New Deal"), are deemed "deniers." I'm not into extremism. The US emits 15% of GHG, and until you can get a commitment from countries where they are building new coal plants to this day, it's difficult to take seriously. "Since 2005 annual U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined by 758…

You're too clueless to understand that the number one thing that is extremist is emitting so much CO2. It's pointless to debate anything with someone of significantly dissimilar intelligence.

Re: Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought

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Post by 18pfsmt »

mikeash wrote: post #27
18pfsmt wrote: post #20

Here is the link to the actual report: https://science.sciencemag.org/cgi/doi/10.1126/science.aax35... People should try reading the actual science instead of some journalist's cherry-picked take on the science. It's also interesting that Disney ("evil media corporation") now controls NatGeo. As Bill Gates recently noted, climate alarmists are more of a problem than the "deniers." Here's a story from the BBC this wee…

Do you have a link to Gates saying alarmism is the greater problem? I’m curious as to exactly what he said and I can’t find it.

It was from a live stream of a conference/interview that happened at the end of Feb. or March. I did read something about it at the time, but it wasn't the headline, nor am I likely to have gotten the phrasing correct exactly.

PEW put out a practical plan to address the issue a couple months ago that actually goes through the trade-offs, and then makes recommendations.

Re: Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought

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Post by dang »

QuickToBan wrote: post #34
18pfsmt wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Denial doesn't help The problem is that people who do not want to enact federal policy that decimates the US economy (i.e. "Green New Deal"), are deemed "deniers." I'm not into extremism. The US emits 15% of GHG, and until you can get a commitment from countries where they are building new coal plants to this day, it's difficult to take seriously. "Since 2005 annual U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have declined by 758…

You're too clueless to understand that the number one thing that is extremist is emitting so much CO2. It's pointless to debate anything with someone of significantly dissimilar intelligence.

We've banned this account for violating the site guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought

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Post by vastoi »

abalone wrote: post #30
squirrelicus wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're over estimating how much impact the West has on climate change. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-other-greenhouse-gas-emis... There's only one solution that is known to be practical and based on non speculative approaches: nuclear fission power. And we have to do it globally. Even if emissions in the West drop to zero yesterday, it won't matter.

Your own source disagrees with you. It clearly shows the US is the top cumulative CO2 producer and one of the highest annually.

Right? The link also indicates that the US is one of the highest per capita emitters as well.
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