I remember in the 90's there was a drive to buy Amazon forest to prevent deforestatio. A lot of people bought (i didnt). I wonder if it still stands or if it was a scam.
Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'
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#32That's what happens, when complete crooks get to power.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
So is "stop having more than 2 children". Another one is "stop buying things you don't really need". But yeah, good luck convincing people to get behind that.
You’re being down voted, but you raise a valid point. We are helpless. Even our first world governments are helpless to save the amazon. It’s just so damn sad.
What should we do? Have the US military take over the Amazon river basin, declare it a human-free zone, forcefully evict all people from the site, and let it grow back? We're not helpless, we're just not totalitarian conquerors.
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#34Until we find an economic solution, this trend will just continue. Unfortunately, people only want to profit at all costs and governments usually want to be enablers of that, so the economy grows and they can have more votes in the next election. I think the real question is: can equivalent money to logging/beef be made from tropical forests? If we can come up with an answer to that, maybe we can revert this trend.
If carbon was priced to reflect its negative externalities the Amazon [Rain Forest] wouldn’t have to generate money because clearing it for agriculture would be prohibitively expensive.
Perhaps the rest of the world should be sending money to the rainforest areas to represent the value to the world climate that they provide.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
The money is not made on the lumber, but on agriculture. I recently read that, most of the deforested regions are used for low-density cattle (0.5 cow / hectare), which gets transformed into beef, mainly for export.
As a Brazilian, I'm trying to imagine the logistical costs of running any type of large scale export oriented agriculture business in the Amazon. There is no railroad, no paved roads, no electricity, no workforce (human density is lower than 1 per square Km, let alone work aged humans), nothing. There's a lot of dense forest and water. Feeding cattle in large scale must be a huge expensive challenge in the Amazon reg…
You don't have to "imagine" there are the pictures from the satellites which can be compared with the older:
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
If carbon was priced to reflect its negative externalities the Amazon [Rain Forest] wouldn’t have to generate money because clearing it for agriculture would be prohibitively expensive.
Perhaps the rest of the world should be sending money to the rainforest areas to represent the value to the world climate that they provide.
Absolutely; pay a dividend to people that comes out of the revenue of the carbon tax.
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#37Until we find an economic solution, this trend will just continue. Unfortunately, people only want to profit at all costs and governments usually want to be enablers of that, so the economy grows and they can have more votes in the next election. I think the real question is: can equivalent money to logging/beef be made from tropical forests? If we can come up with an answer to that, maybe we can revert this trend.
Cattle ranching in the Amazon is the main responsible for deforestation, responsible for about 65% of the land deforested.
So a simple economic solution to the problem is to stop buying so much beef and the deforestation would reduce drastically. Why would they continue to chop the forest down if they have no economic incentive to do so?
The excessive consumption of animal products in the west is the main reason why this "3 football fields" a minute thing is going on.
Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'
#38Until we find an economic solution, this trend will just continue. Unfortunately, people only want to profit at all costs and governments usually want to be enablers of that, so the economy grows and they can have more votes in the next election. I think the real question is: can equivalent money to logging/beef be made from tropical forests? If we can come up with an answer to that, maybe we can revert this trend.
Cattle ranching in the Amazon is the main responsible for deforestation, responsible for about 65% of the land deforested. So a simple economic solution to the problem is to stop buying so much beef and the deforestation would reduce drastically. Why would they continue to chop the forest down if they have no economic incentive to do so? The excessive consumption of animal products in the west is the main reason why…
What incentive mechanism are you proposing? (Real question, not rhetorical)
Generally, when people ask for an economic solution, they’re looking for a proposal to change behavioral incentives, rather than proclamation of the desirability of someone’s pet cause (as noble as it may be).
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#39Completely off topic, but it took me more than 2 minutes and more than just one comment before I understood the word Amazon correctly. I though about some Jeff bezos announcement about deforestation.
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#40Hopefully this creates a lot of wealth and amazing businesses in Brazil. Why should they not be able to use their land to make profit?