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U.S. Forces Failed to Conquer Canada 200 Years Ago (2012)

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Re: U.S. Forces Failed to Conquer Canada 200 Years Ago (2012)

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Post by eloff »

lacampbell wrote: post #28
eloff wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's one thing stopping them, not enough Canadian programmers are willing to vote with their feet. So the supply is too high in the labor market. I do my part, whenever a recruiter contacts me on linked-in for a domestic position, I reply thanks but I don't work for Canadian companies.

I like it. Do you work remotely for US companies in Canada?

Usually, but now I work unpaid on my own venture. I made an exception for a couple months last year and worked for a Canadian company at US level wages. They let me go pretty quickly. I think I was too expensive for them.

Re: U.S. Forces Failed to Conquer Canada 200 Years Ago (2012)

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Post by kenned3 »

Canadian here.. why do we keep seeing these stories about how the US invaded "canada"?

wasnt "Canada" created as part of the British North America Act (1867)?

Didnt canada do a big "150" thing in 2017?

The US invaded "british north america" in 1812.

The article is also mistaken when it talks about "canadians" defending British North America. They were british citizens.

Re: U.S. Forces Failed to Conquer Canada 200 Years Ago (2012)

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Post by fouc »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #17
romwell wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whereas, like many wars, it should really be taught as a mutual loss: a useless conflict that neither side needed.

The US barely won the revolution. Luckily during the war, a volcano (Laki, Iceland) threw Europe & much of the British empire (including India & Africa) into a multiyear drought, causing one of the coldest/longest winters in the USA. About 3 months after the eruption formal negotiations to end the war began. No eruption, possibly no USA but historical accounts I've seen rarely mention the role of mother nature.

I've never heard of this idea. That's fascinating!

Re: U.S. Forces Failed to Conquer Canada 200 Years Ago (2012)

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Post by csdreamer7 »

opps90 wrote: post #7
Causality1 wrote: post #2

The War of 1812 is a fascinating study in the ways we record and teach history. The US teaches it as a US victory because the US got everything it went into the war looking for and repulsed a British invasion. Canada teaches it as a British/Canadian victory because they too got everything they went into the war looking for and repulsed an American invasion.

I'm American and it was taught as a stalemate. I think most history classes probably teach it that way, and that's the most accurate interpretation. Your average American likely remembers nothing about their history class so asking an average American if it was a US victory is meaningless. Also it's not accurate to say the British got everything they wanted from the war. The Americans got the British to stop the impr…

Ditto, it was taught as a stalemate.

I don't remember if they taught the White House was burnt down in my history books.

I remember reading a article much later about someone from the US Patent Office begging the British Army not to burn down the Patent Office due to all inventions and history recorded there. They didn't, and that is my strongest recollection.

Re: U.S. Forces Failed to Conquer Canada 200 Years Ago (2012)

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Post by braythwayt »

grecy wrote: post #24
diego_moita wrote: post #4

> The Americans also captured York (now Toronto) and burned several government buildings there, an act the British reciprocated the following year (1814) in Washington, D.C. The Canadian version sounds better: "Yeah! We burned down the White House!".

It's amazing how many Americas have no clue the White House was burned down by an invading army. Interesting what the US history books choose to leave out.

Contrary to popular legend in Canada, the White House was not painted white in the aftermath of the fire. But it’s amazing how much was destroyed, including the entire Library of Congress:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

Re: U.S. Forces Failed to Conquer Canada 200 Years Ago (2012)

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Post by lambdasquirrel »

grecy wrote: post #24
diego_moita wrote: post #4

> The Americans also captured York (now Toronto) and burned several government buildings there, an act the British reciprocated the following year (1814) in Washington, D.C. The Canadian version sounds better: "Yeah! We burned down the White House!".

It's amazing how many Americas have no clue the White House was burned down by an invading army. Interesting what the US history books choose to leave out.

The history books I read in school didn't leave it out. But they did leave out the impetus (i.e. American troops burning down civilian buildings in Canada).

Re: U.S. Forces Failed to Conquer Canada 200 Years Ago (2012)

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Post by throwaway3627 »

grecy wrote: post #24
diego_moita wrote: post #4

> The Americans also captured York (now Toronto) and burned several government buildings there, an act the British reciprocated the following year (1814) in Washington, D.C. The Canadian version sounds better: "Yeah! We burned down the White House!".

It's amazing how many Americas have no clue the White House was burned down by an invading army. Interesting what the US history books choose to leave out.

It is because they aren't subscribed to The History Guy on YT. ;)

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Post by astrodust »

Spellman wrote: post #9
romwell wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whereas, like many wars, it should really be taught as a mutual loss: a useless conflict that neither side needed.

The US did get a National Anthem out of it I guess... And a burned down White House

It wasn't white when it burned down, only after to cover up the damage.

Re: U.S. Forces Failed to Conquer Canada 200 Years Ago (2012)

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Post by throwaway3627 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #29
grecy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing how many Americas have no clue the White House was burned down by an invading army. Interesting what the US history books choose to leave out.

Did they? I remember studying about that in Elementary school. Maybe most people forget history from Elementary school I suppose? We went over the Civil War and the World Wars for quite a while in Elementary school.

We also studied the War of 1812. It was a crushing, symbolic defeat in battle for the fledgling nation, although it didn't make much difference in total.

Re: U.S. Forces Failed to Conquer Canada 200 Years Ago (2012)

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Post by astrodust »

dentemple wrote: post #12
lacampbell wrote: post #6

If only the US had won, then all those canadian programmers in Vancouver and Toronto wouldn't have to migrate to get a decent paying job.

There's nothing stopping Canadian companies from paying the same wages as American companies.

The VC market isn't as overheated as it is in San Francisco.

"There's nothing stopping New York companies from paying the same wages as..."

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