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Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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"...if we insisted on full-time surgeons we would have a personnel problem: Three in four of our junior doctors are female." We have had "part time doctors" in the US for a while, not to mention a movement toward "girl specialties" (read: gyno/derm/few others). It's a significant contributor to our rising medical costs. Supply of medical services = (# of doctors) x (average hours worked). The # of doctors is basicall…

This seems to be a basic personal economics issue - would you rather work 40+ hours a week at a job that paid X, or 20-30 hours at a job that paid X*2?

That's the rationalization a lot of professionals are making.

Similarly, if you're offering a rare/unique service that is in high demand, and that only you personally can provide, and you start to become overworked, do you raise rates? If you want time off, would it not make sense to raise rates until you have a better work/non-work time balance?

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"...if we insisted on full-time surgeons we would have a personnel problem: Three in four of our junior doctors are female." We have had "part time doctors" in the US for a while, not to mention a movement toward "girl specialties" (read: gyno/derm/few others). It's a significant contributor to our rising medical costs. Supply of medical services = (# of doctors) x (average hours worked). The # of doctors is basicall…

This seems to be a basic personal economics issue - would you rather work 40+ hours a week at a job that paid X, or 20-30 hours at a job that paid X*2? That's the rationalization a lot of professionals are making. Similarly, if you're offering a rare/unique service that is in high demand, and that only you personally can provide, and you start to become overworked, do you raise rates? If you want time off, would it n…

This is correct, but the seedier side of it is belonging to a cartel that works to legally limit the competition: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/nyregion/23caribbean.html?...

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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I work a 4 day week on my day job and am switching to half-time in 2011. Funny thing is: I'd say I work something closer to 60 hours a week with the side-projects. I found it easier to adjust to the new standard of living by slowly weaning off the teat: first 80%, then 60%, then ...

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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Also, high-tech industry is in a sad state in the Netherlands. Large IT projects fail at a remarkably high rate. Successful start-ups move out. Foreign tech corporations settle only for localization and catching a tax break. There is not much of an engineering culture. Salaries are generally low, venture capital non-existent. I moved abroad. Ironically, Dutch engineering education is among the best of the world, but…

I would say salaries are good, comparing salaries and cost of living (comparing to London or Paris for example).

I also heard contrary statements to yours regarding venture capital (may not be at the level of the US though).

And, there are a bunch of technology companies (TomTom, booking.com, Hyves...).

Companies seem to have a hard time hiring locals though, and there are quite a lot of foreigners working in IT. So that seems to corroborate your point about Dutch going abroad (or maybe simply not interested in software)

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Two years ago I switched to 30 hour week, and there is no way I'm going back. I'm happier, in better shape and get so much more done at home. I do understand why people work like crazy, they have huge mortgages or other loans. I cut my hours before taking huge loan (I have smallish student loan to pay), so I just need to adjust my future house/apartment to my income. It's much more easier this way, than to first take…

I would love to do this. I'm on the no debt, small house end of things. However, most employers in US (at least in my experience in the midwest) are still in the factory mindset. Meaning they want you in your seat by start time and there until end time. Working from home or working less hours is still looked on with suspicion (but the work from home situation is starting to improve).

I just don't think many employers are enlightened enough to allow a 30 hour week for knowledge workers (in the US and at this point in time).

Totally agree with your lifestyle though. I would trade big house/car for more free time any day.

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On the other side of the coin, most Greeks I know would also kill for a four-day week. In fact, they would kill for any work at all.

This is the EU; if they're qualified enough, they might be able to find work here in the Netherlands.

Unless they don't speak a foreign language.

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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post #32

"...if we insisted on full-time surgeons we would have a personnel problem: Three in four of our junior doctors are female." We have had "part time doctors" in the US for a while, not to mention a movement toward "girl specialties" (read: gyno/derm/few others). It's a significant contributor to our rising medical costs. Supply of medical services = (# of doctors) x (average hours worked). The # of doctors is basicall…

This seems to be a basic personal economics issue - would you rather work 40+ hours a week at a job that paid X, or 20-30 hours at a job that paid X*2? That's the rationalization a lot of professionals are making. Similarly, if you're offering a rare/unique service that is in high demand, and that only you personally can provide, and you start to become overworked, do you raise rates? If you want time off, would it n…

Everything you say is true for a free market in goods/services. In that case, rising prices would induce more people to become doctors, thereby increasing the supply.

Unfortunately, there is no free market in medical training - supply is artificially capped. A huge number of qualified people who want to become a doctor are turned away from medical school, and the government artificially restricts the number of medical schools (at the behest of the AMA) [1].

[1] Some numbers. I'll assume the average black medical student is qualified (but the 49'th percentile is unqualified), giving me cutoff of MCAT VR 8.3 for a "qualified doctor". This cutoff is chosen so I can call people who disagree with me a racist. Some gaussian-fu suggests we could train at least 10-15k more doctors per year.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080801022539/http://www.aamc.or...

(Unfortunately the AAMC took the numbers down, but the wayback machine is helpful.)

Re: Oooh - I'd kill for a four day week...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the EU; if they're qualified enough, they might be able to find work here in the Netherlands.

Unless they don't speak a foreign language.

One would assume that most people of working age would speak at least English, which should be enough to get started in many countries.

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Also, high-tech industry is in a sad state in the Netherlands. Large IT projects fail at a remarkably high rate. Successful start-ups move out. Foreign tech corporations settle only for localization and catching a tax break. There is not much of an engineering culture. Salaries are generally low, venture capital non-existent. I moved abroad. Ironically, Dutch engineering education is among the best of the world, but…

I would say salaries are good, comparing salaries and cost of living (comparing to London or Paris for example). I also heard contrary statements to yours regarding venture capital (may not be at the level of the US though). And, there are a bunch of technology companies (TomTom, booking.com, Hyves...). Companies seem to have a hard time hiring locals though, and there are quite a lot of foreigners working in IT. So…

Salaries are low in the Netherlands for IT people. I'm a Windows admin and also moved and went from pretax 34K euros in Amsterdam to $110K in California in 2006.Then add on top of that a sales tax and an income tax that are each roughly 10% lower in the US. Even if you compensate for lower benefits, cost of living differences and a possible increase of my value due to additional skills learned, there is a massive difference. I practically went from rags to riches just by moving (and also went from about 8 weeks vacation a year to... nothing :).
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