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Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset

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Post by preommr »

cardigan wrote: post #15
cardigan wrote: post #13

(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…

Also, the viewer packaged with nuScenes was built by Steven Hao from Scale, and while it was packaged as part of nuScenes it should probably be called Scale's viewer instead of nuScenes' viewer. The original viewer in the nuscenes SDK has the Scale logo, but it looks like Lyft removed that in the fork. Maybe a bit of public shaming will fix that... Dear Lyft marketing person who wrote this: we are a data labeling com…

At first I was on kind of on your side against the other comments telling you to delete your other comment. I think its important to set the record straight if you can as early as possible. A small retraction/correction isn't guaranteed to make the frontpage of HN again.

But then this comment took it into a weird turn with how fast steven can learn rock climbing (seriously, i am still kind of unsure if we're talking about rock climbing because its so random and unrelated).

Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset

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Post by obese_by_nature »

cm2012 wrote: post #22
cardigan wrote: post #13

(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…

Quick tip: voice concerns about partners in private. Lyft will probably be happy to credit Scale more - it was likely an honest mistake. But now you dragged them through the mud publicly, which is going to make big companies less likely to work with Scale in the future.

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Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset

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Post by obese_by_nature »

jaimex2 wrote: post #18

It's looking more and more like everyone is just going to have to licence Tesla's FSD when its finished. They are the only ones with a broad real world data source and seem to have wisely taken the right path by not adopting LIDAR, focusing purely on passive vision.

No LIDAR means zero ability to detect pedestrians in heavy fog, rain, and snow, right?

Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset

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Post by webninja »

DeonPenny wrote: post #26
cardigan wrote: post #13

(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…

You should delete this.

Nah, all publicity is good publicity.

Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset

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Post by webninja »

rubyfan wrote: post #30
cardigan wrote: post #13

(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…

If you are an officer of scale you should take this offline. If not then you’re probably not authorized to speak on behalf of scale. Check your NDAs and service agreements. This is in such poor taste, anyone who would consider scale’s service now has to consider this sort of public commentary.

> Anyone who would consider scale’s service now has to consider this sort of public commentary.

Not if they leave attribution.

Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset

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Post by malandrew »

rubyfan wrote: post #30
cardigan wrote: post #13

(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…

If you are an officer of scale you should take this offline. If not then you’re probably not authorized to speak on behalf of scale. Check your NDAs and service agreements. This is in such poor taste, anyone who would consider scale’s service now has to consider this sort of public commentary.

Leaving out attribution is in poor taste. There were multiple chances to give attribution in the original blog post.

Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset

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Post by malandrew »

cardigan wrote: post #13

(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…

Hope you guys get acquired by someone that recognizes the talent of your team. You deserve it.

Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset

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Post by ayw »

cardigan wrote: post #13

(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…

Hi, I'm the CEO of Scale.ai.

This comment does not represent the company's viewpoint, and cardigan is not speaking on behalf of Scale.

We are very excited to have been able to work with Lyft in open-sourcing this dataset and advancing the research community. We are also very grateful to Lyft for choosing to leverage our point cloud viewer and have credited the annotations to us on their launch page.

Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset

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Post by parsimo2010 »

bigiain wrote: post #12
ekc wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Github they link to says it's under the CC BY-NC-SA 4.0.

Hmmm. I wonder how much fun lawyers will have arguing about whether that "NC" clause means a model trained on this data cannot be used commercially by the researcher who built it?

I would guess (I'm not a lawyer) that a commercial model would be in the clear as long as the company doesn't release anything including the data itself. Model weights that are derived from the data are not the data.

I would make an analogy where the training data is like a textbook. If I read in a textbook about how to design/build a bridge, I don't have to give royalties to the textbook author when my civil engineering and construction firm gets paid to build a bridge. The copyright/license of the textbook can't prevent me from using the knowledge gained from the book to do a commercial job. In a similar vein, the knowledge gained from a public data set is probably fair game for whatever you want, just as long as you aren't repackaging the data itself. There's probably a good boundary requiring someone to stop at a point where the model weights can't be used to reconstruct the original data.

Of course, other people can disagree. I would look forward to an actual legal opinion to clear this up.

Re: Lyft releases self-driving research dataset

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Post by mitfahrener »

ayw wrote: post #38
cardigan wrote: post #13

(I work at scale) Hmm this blog post and the website doesn't mention that this dataset was mostly annotated by Scale (scale.ai), as part of a partnership with Lyft ... We're going to publish a blog post about this soon, but if anyone at Lyft is reading this, please figure out how to reasonably credit Scale since I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement. Scale should…

Hi, I'm the CEO of Scale.ai. This comment does not represent the company's viewpoint, and cardigan is not speaking on behalf of Scale. We are very excited to have been able to work with Lyft in open-sourcing this dataset and advancing the research community. We are also very grateful to Lyft for choosing to leverage our point cloud viewer and have credited the annotations to us on their launch page.

Ouchy
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