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Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by itcrowd »

aexol wrote: post #24
aexol wrote: post #18

Hi, I was really screwed by Tech Giant Companies many times in my life for a big money. But now, here I am reborn to bring justice. I reported 1 case to the European Commission and cases like mine led to a new law which was introduced last month: "Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight!" https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

If somebody is too lazy too read. Search providers have to publish their search algorithm inside European union within one year from the date of publication

Sounds like a bold claim .. and yes it is. Only the "main parameters" must be published.

From your source (emphasis mine):

> Providers of [..] online search engines should not be required to disclose the detailed functioning of their ranking mechanisms, including algorithms, under this Regulation. [..]

> A general description of the main ranking parameters should safeguard [against bad faith manipulation of ranking by third parties]

Main parameters being defined as:

> The notion of main parameter should be understood to refer to any general criteria, processes, specific signals incorporated into algorithms or other adjustment or demotion mechanisms used in connection with the ranking.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by devmunchies »

privateSFacct wrote: post #14

This article should say - you can't compete with google using google. The "final blow" was adsense being cutoff. Their revenue model to compete with google was ... adsense. OK. Their traffic model was google search. Ok. Between the lines it sounds like some aggressive SEO, and maybe the network click bounce thing (you click on one video, and then it clicks through to another site etc). Be curious what their content m…

Haven’t used reddit in over a year and hardly visit YouTube. #1 competitor for my time is reading a book. The freedom and clarity I feel now that I’m not plugged in to these types of social networks makes me believe reddit is also “disgusting trash”.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by nemothekid »

privateSFacct wrote: post #14

This article should say - you can't compete with google using google. The "final blow" was adsense being cutoff. Their revenue model to compete with google was ... adsense. OK. Their traffic model was google search. Ok. Between the lines it sounds like some aggressive SEO, and maybe the network click bounce thing (you click on one video, and then it clicks through to another site etc). Be curious what their content m…

>The paying of creators definitely anti-competitive

It's really not any different than what Netflix is doing now, right?

Discounting SEO, the major issue was that they didn't build their own ad network. You set up business in Google's front yard and didn't like it when they told you to get out.

The ad network (or rather the monetization model) is the hardest part of building a video sharing site. If that part wasn't figured out then it's hard for me to believe you were actually serious about building a content network.

Given how much this guy cried about how much money he is "owed" I'm less likely to believe he was slighted and more likely to believe he was a greedy exec who was in over his head.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by zackmorris »

I wonder if a standard library or service could be written that detects search engine manipulation, in order to provide a mathematical confidence that it occurred of some kind.

So for example, you make metube.com and it shows up on all the search engines. Off the top of my head, maybe it watches the rank over time, kind of like a stock ticker. If Google detects metube.com and buries your listing, but the listing stays the same on more egalitarian search engines like duckduckgo.com, that would show as a divergence in the historical rankings.

So you could get answers like "there's a 77% likelihood that Google buried your link" or "Google's result diverges 23% from other search engines" or something like that.

Then an overall measure of the top million sites or whatever could be used to generate an overall fairness/bias rating.

If it showed enough manipulation over a long enough time, maybe that would be grounds to regulate or break up the largest search engines. Or maybe the law wouldn't be necessary, because a browser plugin could say "there's a 95% chance that this search result has not been manipulated" or even request results with a high degree of manipulation as a way of finding the canonical truth.

Hmmm that gives me an idea for a search engine...

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by on_and_off »

Is there a non ranty description of what happened ?

I read the first couple of paragraphs and between the rantings how he should be a multimillionaire and how Google will destroy all of his projects, I gave up.

It is obviously a very emotional subject for Trent, but that's just not the best way to present what happened to a third party.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by dageshi »

noobermin wrote: post #20
privateSFacct wrote: post #14

This article should say - you can't compete with google using google. The "final blow" was adsense being cutoff. Their revenue model to compete with google was ... adsense. OK. Their traffic model was google search. Ok. Between the lines it sounds like some aggressive SEO, and maybe the network click bounce thing (you click on one video, and then it clicks through to another site etc). Be curious what their content m…

Nothing you said is wrong, but that is part of the problem right? To do anything online, you have to use google to some extent, so how can you compete in the first place? Google is already a monopoly in search which makes it impossible to make something online that requires search (ie., almost everything) and have it properly compete.

Pornhub probably could. They've got the tech, the traffic, the money, the advertising infrastructure, they've got everything they need to launch a youtube competitor because the big tech companies don't really touch porn.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by Mathnerd314 »

TACIXAT wrote: post #11

This is interesting. I'm starting to make a computer security course right now and I've chosen to put it on pornhub. The monetization options are better for creators (I can sell videos!). Obviously, pornhub is going to restrict the audience a bit, so I've been toying with the idea of making a video hosting site with solid monetization options and categories of ads beyond porn. I think the biggest thing I don't unders…

The obvious place to put it is an online learning platform, just googling "create online course" shows a dozen different websites with various monetization options.

Or you could do unlisted YouTube videos and a simple pay site. Or Vimeo has some embedding options.

The main problem I see is product differentiation, e.g. MIT has a computer security course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqmQg-cszw4&list=PLUl4u3cNGP.... If someone wants to learn they'd probably watch something like that instead of your course.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by mysticlabs »

tptacek wrote: post #6

From what I can tell, this is the story of a 2006-2008 Youtube also-ran that was outbid by Google for celebrity content, had copyright and inappropriate content problems, kept an adult content section on their website, and depended on AdSense for their revenue. I don't see where the concept of "deplatforming" fits into the narrative provided. You can check their old site out on Archive.org (the pages all seem to have…

The sites were delisted from search engines despite content moderation being put in place. That is deplatforming.

The adult content was put behind a mature section where ads weren't run against the mature content.

LiveVideo and the parents companies network of sites were deplatformed from search results.

Delisting competitors from search results who are meeting all of the requirements of their advertising policies at the time is the issue. The mature content was moderated and put behind mature content filters.

Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com

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Post by on_and_off »

sjg007 wrote: post #29

I mean Twitch succeeded so that's a counterpoint. Vimeo is still going.. If I were to start a video company today, I'd go mobile first.

Dailymotion is still there as well (although I find their product really inferior to the competitors)
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