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War for tech talent in NYC

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Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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Who here is an NYC startup and who here is hiring?

I'd like to add a further question, if it's not frowned upon.

Are there any that might be interested in folks who would start remotely (but willing to come out for bits of onsite time) and then relocate to NYC in a few months?

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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I would love to know what the average startup is paying now in NYC v.s. what the average Wall Street Firm would pay for the same programmer.

They can't compete. They'll never be able to compete on the money front.

If you're a senior C++ lead dev working in the front office of an Investment Bank you can make 250k-500k/year.

If you join a startup as an early employee and get 1% equity , assuming a 10% chance of exit after three years, the company would need to have a $1 billion dollar exit for the risk-reward equation to break-even.

There are a lot of ex-finance developers in the startup world, but overwhelming they're there as founders, as that's the only way they'll get enough equity for it to be worthwhile.

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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I would love to know what the average startup is paying now in NYC v.s. what the average Wall Street Firm would pay for the same programmer.

It depends a lot on what the average Wall Street Firm would do with that programmer. Is the hacker going to be doing (for example):

1.) IT Admin stuff (Creating accounts, internal admin tools)

2.) Backoffice Dev (plumbing code to book trades, query databases, feed data to risk and PNL reporting tools)

3.) Infrastructure (writing fast code that talks to exchanges to trade autonomously, or writing tools to help people run lots of regressions, experiments, and simulations with ease)

4.) Desk Quant / Quant Dev (writing valuation models, trader UI, tools for trading, tech support for traders, structuring new products, building the grand unified system that processes financial instruments)

5.) Prop Trading (finding new ways to trade for profit; systematizing that into software)

I'd say anyone who is skilled at either 3,4,5 is going to generate more value to the Wall Street firms than what most startups budget for hacker employees.

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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Austin, SF/SV and NYC are all in the same boat: Tech talent demand is unbelievably high. If you have a LinkedIn profile with reasonable skills (hell, put "HTML5" in your profile and watch what happens) you probably are already aware of this.

What does it mean when companies are trolling around looking for "HTML5"? Is that just the new buzzword? Or are that many companies actually interested in building things with Canvas these days? (I hope it's not because they think you need some sort of special HTML5 experience to learn how to embed video.)

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

#36

"Right now in New York City every technology company is hiring engineers, programmers, Java developers or PHP/Perl developers,” Carvajal said. “I haven’t seen it this hot since 1997..." Ummm, did they get the quote from 1997 too? I find these stacks to be in the minority these days for a startup anyways. Or is this a NYC trend?

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=C%2C+java%2C+python%2C+C%2...

Java, PHP and Perl are still strong.

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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post #36

"Right now in New York City every technology company is hiring engineers, programmers, Java developers or PHP/Perl developers,” Carvajal said. “I haven’t seen it this hot since 1997..." Ummm, did they get the quote from 1997 too? I find these stacks to be in the minority these days for a startup anyways. Or is this a NYC trend?

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=C%2C+java%2C+python%2C+C%2... Java, PHP and Perl are still strong.

I don't deny it as a general trend - but just curious as to why Mr. HotShot recruiter mentioned those three in the same article with startups in it. It's just interesting that quite an overwhelming amount of west coast startups tend to be ruby and/or python shops (in my recent memory, I've seen php mentioned in WePay and facebook; and Perl in Craigslist; Java seems to be mentioned in bigger tech shops or Android shops). If there is one "hot" skill today, I'd have picked JavaScript over all those three.

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

#38
I'm a programmer in NYC who doesn't have a work visa. (But I've worked as a freelancer in the city for years, so I have lots of experience.) How should I bring that up to potential employers? During the application or during the interview or after I get hired? How much would it affect my compensation?

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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post #29

"Right now in New York City every technology company is hiring engineers, programmers, Java developers or PHP/Perl developers,” Carvajal said. “I haven’t seen it this hot since 1997..." Ummm, did they get the quote from 1997 too? I find these stacks to be in the minority these days for a startup anyways. Or is this a NYC trend?

This quote struck me as a bit outdated as well. Not because it mentions Java and PHP, but because it seems to imply that those are the big two skill sets. The "what does your startup use?" polls that show up on HN every know and then suggest Python and Ruby are in heavy use (though PHP and Java do still get a decent showing)

Believe it or not the self-selecting group represented on Hacker News is absolutely not representative of the developer majority.

Furthermore, it's very unsettling that even on hacker news there's this prevalent anti-PHP attitude. With the release of PHP 5.3, and the current maturity of the numerous frameworks there's never been a better time to use PHP.

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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I have a pet theory about the apparent shortage of 'experienced engineers' in the midst of high unemployment. Software development as we know is an inherently unstable activity - it's very hard to gauge how much a project will cost in time and money. Supposedly 50% of IT projects fail and 70% don't meet all their targets (or something catastrophic like that). Well here's my theory. When you can't tell how much someth…

um, if you want to build any great products, you need really good people inboard. Average is just not good enough.

I noticed this is the same for sports. I play soccer frequently, and I noticed that in order to win, you really need few good players in the team (way above average). Not everybody has to be really good, but you need few good pl

In a team of 11 you need a great: Goalie Defender 2 Midfielder (one center and one runner on the sides) One great Scorer/Forward

The rest of the team can be OK, (i.e good enough or average), but with good organization this team will excel.

Now think of a startup that instead of being able to field 11 players on the field, they can field only 7-8. Then everybody on the team has to be really good from the get go for it to have a chance.

Once it grows, it can afford more warm bodies. People that can do useful work (fix bugs, create additional features), but that are not able to do groundbreaking work by themselves.

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