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Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by Obsnold »

rand84545 wrote: post #23
Ensorceled wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize you are defending and supporting the "tragedy of the commons"

- not, really. Could you expand on that. - my point, it's easier to attack a group of people , if you can put a label on them. Noise is a problem regardless of its source. A noisy long term neighbour is at least as annoying as a noisy tourist. And a calm tourist is less annoying. Being noisy is not an essential property of airbnb rentals. Those who are noisy should suffer the consequences of their actions. Those who…

Do you want to live somewhere where you have to regularly call the police on your neighbors?

For a permanent neighbor at least you may be able to take some action against them but with Airbnb the people will change every few days or weeks.

When I lived next to several Airbnbs the problem was non stop. Sometimes I could talk to people and they would begrudgingly quiet down but in a few days they would be replaced by someone else and the whole thing would repeat. For tourists they are only there for a few days or weeks but for the people living there it is their whole life.

In my experience as well it's a lot more common to find bad tourists then bad permanent residents. A lot of tourists will be gone in a short time so a lot wont care how much noise they make or by the time they are told or realize they are being too loud you may get a few days of quite before someone new turns up. Most permanent residents have to see each other a lot more and the repercussions for upsetting their neighbor are much more likely.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by chirau »

PlasticTank wrote: post #28
rand84545 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- not, really. Could you expand on that. - my point, it's easier to attack a group of people , if you can put a label on them. Noise is a problem regardless of its source. A noisy long term neighbour is at least as annoying as a noisy tourist. And a calm tourist is less annoying. Being noisy is not an essential property of airbnb rentals. Those who are noisy should suffer the consequences of their actions. Those who…

Have you never heard of common courtesy? I'm not by law required to do a lot of things I do but I do them because they make the world that little bit better for everyone, same goes for things I avoid doing.

Where does it start, where does it end? Who defines it?

"Common courtesy" is a very vague term and changes from place to place

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by cycrutchfield »

Obsnold wrote: post #31
rand84545 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- not, really. Could you expand on that. - my point, it's easier to attack a group of people , if you can put a label on them. Noise is a problem regardless of its source. A noisy long term neighbour is at least as annoying as a noisy tourist. And a calm tourist is less annoying. Being noisy is not an essential property of airbnb rentals. Those who are noisy should suffer the consequences of their actions. Those who…

Do you want to live somewhere where you have to regularly call the police on your neighbors? For a permanent neighbor at least you may be able to take some action against them but with Airbnb the people will change every few days or weeks. When I lived next to several Airbnbs the problem was non stop. Sometimes I could talk to people and they would begrudgingly quiet down but in a few days they would be replaced by s…

Wouldn’t the noise violation go to the property owner, not the guest? I fail to see why involving the police is not a deterrent.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by rand84545 »

pjc50 wrote: post #22
rand84545 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two possibilties here: - The noise level is within the reasonable legal limit: Tourists are exercising their rights to use the condo, in the same way that the owner (main renter) could have done. Whether it's the owner making the noise or the tourists is immaterial. - The noise levels are above the legal limits, inform them (courtesy) and then call the cops. whether it's the owner, or the tourists it's the…

"I have a right to do everything that's not actually illegal" is an attitude that directly results in all kinds of trivial things being banned. In this case, it's leading to cities trying to ban or restrict AirBNB.

> "I have a right to do everything that's not actually illegal" is an attitude that directly results in all kinds of trivial things being banned.

You say that, like it's something surprising. A Priori, a person will do anything as long as it does not violate his own self imposed code of conduct.

That code of conduct need not be the same for everyone.

Laws, religion, moral codes are used to codify parts that are shared by a group of people.

In a civil state, the only part that you can force people to abide to, is that of the law in the general sense. (because they have a right to have a different religion, different moral doctorines etc..).

of course, people can self impose stricter rules on themselves but they can't impose rules stricter than the law on others.

> In this case, it's leading to cities trying to ban or restrict AirBNB

yeah, they can. I agree with you here. And I'm sure there is many valid reasons to do so.

My point is noise,in my opinion, is not one.

Inacceptable levels of noise should be banned regardless of the type of the rental contract.

for example, increased demand on housing making long term renting too expensive, is a valid one. Because it's a necessary result of airbnb.

My general point of view, is that one should ban / disadvantage X because of undesirable property Y, only if Y is an essential property/consequence of X.

I like this principal because it's general enough to be equivalent to "one shouldn't punish the innocent" and prohibition of racism directly follows from it.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by Haga »

tapland wrote: post #16
robteix wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortunately people list units where it's not allowed as well. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/marketplace-airbnb-covert-l...

A lot of people on my floor did that when I lived in a 6000 sek/month 1 room flat outside Stockholm that required me to be an active student and still required 5 years of being in the queue for apartments which you can't sign up for until age 18. It was impossible to study most days because of kids to illicit renters running around screaming and biking in the corridors.

You where we'll prepared for a open floor Office I reckon?

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by PlasticTank »

chirau wrote: post #32
PlasticTank wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you never heard of common courtesy? I'm not by law required to do a lot of things I do but I do them because they make the world that little bit better for everyone, same goes for things I avoid doing.

Where does it start, where does it end? Who defines it? "Common courtesy" is a very vague term and changes from place to place

Sure, you can get pedantic about the cultural nuances of courtsey but I'd say that it generally boils down to don't be an inconsiderate a-hole. I live in a country where it's not illegal to take up-skirts I'd say it would be pretty universal to say it's common courtesy not to do that.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by nerdponx »

pcdoodle wrote: post #15

How to be extra paranoid brought to you by Hotel Industry Fear Porn (tm).

If an article comes out this year about hidden cameras in hotel rooms, scanning for brands/logos and/or running facial recognition for law enforcement, I won't be shocked.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by rimliu »

rand84545 wrote: post #23
Ensorceled wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize you are defending and supporting the "tragedy of the commons"

- not, really. Could you expand on that. - my point, it's easier to attack a group of people , if you can put a label on them. Noise is a problem regardless of its source. A noisy long term neighbour is at least as annoying as a noisy tourist. And a calm tourist is less annoying. Being noisy is not an essential property of airbnb rentals. Those who are noisy should suffer the consequences of their actions. Those who…

"You are not wrong, Walter, you are just an asshole!" Sure, you can go and ask your neighbors to be quiet. How will you feel when you have to do it every night?

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by JacKTrocinskI »

rand84545 wrote: post #14
JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #6

Or just go to a hotel! I have a condo in a building where most of the units are listed on Airbnb or Booking.com, quality of life for residents like me has been drastically reduced by noisy tourists that come for a weekend trip and have no regard for keeping it quiet or keeping the shared spaces clean. I hope more cities begin to ban Airbnb. Tourists belong in hotels not in buildings where families try to live their d…

There are two possibilties here: - The noise level is within the reasonable legal limit: Tourists are exercising their rights to use the condo, in the same way that the owner (main renter) could have done. Whether it's the owner making the noise or the tourists is immaterial. - The noise levels are above the legal limits, inform them (courtesy) and then call the cops. whether it's the owner, or the tourists it's the…

If I call the police the owners of the condo do not suffer any repercussions, the tourists making the noise might get fined and maybe they learn a lesson maybe not, either way a new batch of tourists arrives a few days later and I have to go through the same ordeal. If the owners were the ones making the noise I could call the cops on them, they would get fined repeatedly and after sometime a judge might get fed up and put them in jail, see the difference?
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