Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change • Hacker News Board

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by cm2187 » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:27 PM UTC

mannykannot wrote: post #13

On the one hand, I personally feel that trying to avoid the Maxes specifically, once they are allowed back in service, would be an excess of caution that overemphasizes the legacy of one issue. On the other hand, could they have found a better way of sending the message that they think the problem is passenger perceptions, rather than in systems engineering and adequate pilot training?

To be honest even without the fix, the risk for a passenger taking a single trip on this plane it still negligible. It is not really rational to worry as a passenger. It is when you work all year long on one of these planes that the risk becomes unacceptable.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by guilhermetk » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:28 PM UTC

vikramkr wrote: post #9

matwood wrote: post #7

Regardless of the name change they are still grounded. Given all the scrutiny, when they finally do fly again they will likely be one of safest planes in the sky.

On what basis? They're trying to fix a fundamental aerodynamic design failure with a software patch. The entire physical design if the airplane is flawed, and they arent rebuilding the entire fleet, just pushing another software patch.

No OP so I can't comment on his source, but I heard the exact same statement from a maintenance engineer who works on Boeing aircrafts for over 30 years (https://www.linkedin.com/in/joselitosousa). He also owns a youtube channel on which he discuss mainly aviation (pt/br) (https://www.youtube.com/avioesemusicas)

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by chongli » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:29 PM UTC

gourou wrote: post #3

> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737

I'm worried about boarding any Boeing aircraft at this point. The revelations paint a picture of an engineering culture deep into the normalization of deviance [1].

[1] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/Diane_Vaughan_...

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by rileyteige » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

neilv wrote: post #5

Will this prompt some fliers to avoid 737-anything or Boeing-anything?

737 Max? Yes. Others? No. The safety record of the 737-non-maxes has been stellar for the combined flight-hours of the fleet. I'm happy to stake my life on it.

Despite the rubber-stamping of the 737-MAX, I view these as separate.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by Panino » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

hodder wrote: post #15

This is disgusting misdirection and frankly feels fraudulent to me. The definition of fraud is as follows: Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. What Boeing is doing meets that definition of fraud if you ask me.

If there is fraud here then I think it would be committed by Ryanair. There are essentially 2 transactions to consider here:

1. Boeing-Ryanair: both parties know this plane has been rebadged and have agreed to it. There is no deception.

2. Ryanair-customer: one party has rebadged a known faulty product, claiming it to be something else. There is deception on the part of Ryanair, the entity financially benefiting from the transaction.

Maybe consider that everything the 737 MAX 8 touches dies. Airlines, flyers, shareholders.

Boeing made this dumpster fire and now they should sleep in it. I'm with other posters here who will now avoid any 737. Lots of fish in the sea, lots of planes in the sky.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by snek » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #16

_bxg1 wrote: post #2

So now we have to keep track of a whole constellation of aliases. Great.

I've found an easier way, chose an airline that uses Airbus instead of Boing. I only have to keep track of two identifiers and filtering becomes very easy.

which airbus planes do you avoid?

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by dorfsmay » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

matwood wrote: post #7

Regardless of the name change they are still grounded. Given all the scrutiny, when they finally do fly again they will likely be one of safest planes in the sky.

If that's true, why renaming it?

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by tyingq » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:35 PM UTC

CodeSheikh wrote: post #14

Boeing is not going to disappoint you when it comes to shady stuff. I think now I am going to avoid any 737 models from now on-wards.

Perhaps not the best strategy. Excluding the MAX, the 737 has been around long enough, with enough incremental improvements, that the safety record is quite good.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by alkonaut » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:39 PM UTC

Was “NG” originally printed on the previous gen aircraft, but later shifted to just 737-800/737-8? I always thought the MAX name was kind of like ”New” - ie something that would disappear.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by magduf » Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 2:43 PM UTC

chongli wrote: post #33

gourou wrote: post #3

> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737

I'm worried about boarding any Boeing aircraft at this point. The revelations paint a picture of an engineering culture deep into the normalization of deviance [1]. [1] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/Diane_Vaughan_...

The planes they built before the current era of management should be ok. I've heard the 777 has the best safety record of any plane flying, but it was engineered before the current management.