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Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by kabes »

yebyen wrote: post #26
giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My biggest pet peeve was Ciscos version. I mentioned this, I just went off on a tangeant cause it amazes me how broken some of these pieces of software are, it's a problem we solved a long time ago (audio and video conferencing) and it seems only Electron based apps have been getting it right lately for whatever reason.

If Zoom has a web-based client, I haven't seen it. I know that WebEx has a web-only client. I thought you had them like, really confused, y'know? Turns out there is a Zoom Web Client though and I'm all wet.

Their web client is actually doing something quite interesting. Instead of using webRTC, they load a webassembly video codec. They then encode frames in a webworker and transport them via websockets over their servers.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by princekolt »

MacroChip wrote: post #25
eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #7

I couldn't reproduce it (Mac, Mojave 10.14.5). I did this: 1. Ensure Zoom client is not running (the GUI, not the ZoomOpener) 2. Completely delete Zoom client app from /Applications, empty trash (ZoomOpener continues to run from ~/.zoomus/, not just from memory, it is never deleted) 3. Wait 5 minutes However, if you click on any Zoom link after you've done those three steps, it will absolutely re-install that client…

You sure you want that last sentence? If that were happening, we would all be commenting on here about how Apple decides who succeeds and who fails by threatening to revoke companies' keys on a whim.

Why not? The software is effectively working as malware. I should be revoked. And when they approve it again, they should issue a new certificate, to make sure the old software never gets past GateKeeper again.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by buboard »

bastawhiz wrote: post #24

I really hope Zoom promptly fixes all these recent issues. I've used so many video conferencing solutions. Vidyo was amazingly unreliable. BlueJeans had the most amazingly awful interface I've ever encountered. P2P WebRTC solutions get destroyed when there's more than a couple people on a call. Hangouts has decent call quality but had spooky issues, like all parties joining a call, but each appearing as if they're th…

It s funny that Flash group chats worked better 15 years ago

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by fitzroy »

eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #7

I couldn't reproduce it (Mac, Mojave 10.14.5). I did this: 1. Ensure Zoom client is not running (the GUI, not the ZoomOpener) 2. Completely delete Zoom client app from /Applications, empty trash (ZoomOpener continues to run from ~/.zoomus/, not just from memory, it is never deleted) 3. Wait 5 minutes However, if you click on any Zoom link after you've done those three steps, it will absolutely re-install that client…

This is the point of sandboxing apps in the Mac App Store, and (to my understanding) providing simple and complete uninstallation. Mac users that care about issues like this (and I'm not saying they shouldn't) can avoid them by choosing to only install apps from the App Store.

Revoking signing keys on the Mac is pretty extreme considering that Zoom is creator of the software — and that is what the key is meant to prove / enforce. I think that sets a very bad precedent.

The fact that Zoom is distributed outside of the App Store should at least raise eyebrows for Mac users. At this point, I tend to ask what specific functionality is required by an app, such that it wouldn't be allowed in the Mac App Store — especially for free client software (there can be perfectly valid reasons for this, such as previous versions of BBEdit).

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by stcredzero »

bastawhiz wrote: post #24

I really hope Zoom promptly fixes all these recent issues. I've used so many video conferencing solutions. Vidyo was amazingly unreliable. BlueJeans had the most amazingly awful interface I've ever encountered. P2P WebRTC solutions get destroyed when there's more than a couple people on a call. Hangouts has decent call quality but had spooky issues, like all parties joining a call, but each appearing as if they're th…

The UI for the desktop client is a bit rough around the edges, but it's certainly not the worst.

It is the worst for giving presentations. I had practiced for giving a presentation from my MacBook, and it was sprung on me when I arrived. Zoom "oh so helpfully" pops down a control panel every time the mouse cursor approaches the menus at the top of the screen. It also "oh so helpfully" puts itself into fullscreen when I don't want it to do that.

As far as I'm concerned, the UX is bungled.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by sieabahlpark »

bwb wrote: post #32

I am pretty confident the Zoom team can fix this and the other issues mentioned in the great security article from yesterday. They seem to do good stuff and I love how well it works.

Lol, is this a paid account? This seems to ignore just how bad this issue is.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by bwb »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #38
bwb wrote: post #32

I am pretty confident the Zoom team can fix this and the other issues mentioned in the great security article from yesterday. They seem to do good stuff and I love how well it works.

Lol, is this a paid account? This seems to ignore just how bad this issue is.

Super bad issue, just merely voicing I think they will fix it. Everyone seems to go into this shark feeding frenzy of how they are terrible and will never fix it. I get tired of that shit and merely pointing out this is a well run big company and they are going to fix it.

The mob mentality in these comments is overwhelming sometimes.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by seieste »

bwb wrote: post #39
sieabahlpark wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, is this a paid account? This seems to ignore just how bad this issue is.

Super bad issue, just merely voicing I think they will fix it. Everyone seems to go into this shark feeding frenzy of how they are terrible and will never fix it. I get tired of that shit and merely pointing out this is a well run big company and they are going to fix it. The mob mentality in these comments is overwhelming sometimes.

The question is not “Will it be fixed?” but “Why is it there In the first place?” Given that the app makes a request to zipow.com to download the new installer, the auto-reinstallation is not a bug or an issue, but an intentional and anti-consumer design decision.
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