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The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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The writer is a journalist. For techies using Mac, there's a bigger question of whether you want to just move from Mac to GNU/Linux.

Whenever I try to use Linux I find it's essentially impossible due to terrible power management support for any hardware I can find. I'm used to 10 hours on my MacBook - how do I get that on Linux?

I get at least 8 hours with Debian/Openbox on a Samsung Notebook 9 Pro 13.3" - NP940X3N

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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I just switched from Mac to Windows and had to move back. I cannot believe how miserable the Windows experience is. I mistakenly thought that since so much is browser-based, it's not a big deal. But literally every single little thing is slightly-to-much worse on Windows. Even stupid things like changing scroll direction, saving the 5 second preference for notifications to disappear, finding a wifi password, arrangin…

If you're changing the scroll direction, you're not moving, you're trying to recreate your MacOS experience on Windows, and it isn't surprising that didn't go well.

It's cheap to change a configuration setting. It's expensive to rewire habit.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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The writer is a journalist. For techies using Mac, there's a bigger question of whether you want to just move from Mac to GNU/Linux.

I have a friend who moved from a 2016 MBP to a Dell XPS with Ubuntu and has liked it a lot. Personally that's the only jump I would make from my current MBP as a development computer because even though WSL2 has come a long way, I still like having a psuedo*nix system to program on.

I'm not being an advocate here (I don't like, but do use, Windows), but WSL2 is actual Linux running in a lightweight VM. It's not even a VM running on Windows, but sits alongside Windows on the hypervisor (as far as I understand).

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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When people refer to the entire suite of Unix-like tools as “bash” I don’t quite know what to make of it. Interpreted uncharitably, it would seem to imply that they think all those nice tools like grep, awk, etc. are all shell builtins, which would be a huge red flag as it would mean they have very little idea of how a typical Unix-like OS works. Interpreted charitably, maybe they do know that those are all separate…

I often say that I like using macOS, but what I really mean is that I like macOS itself along with its apps and ecosystem. Perhaps the same thing was meant here.

I see your point, but I think it’s a slightly inaccurate analogy. There is no “bash ecosystem”; if you switch your login shell to zsh or fish or tcsh, nearly everything works identically. I suspect if this guy were forced to use zsh, he’d be fine; he just doesn’t because it’s not the default.

Whereas when you say you “like using macOS” I assume you don’t just mean that you like using computers in general and you would have absolutely no preference for macOS over Linux or Windows.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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The writer is a journalist. For techies using Mac, there's a bigger question of whether you want to just move from Mac to GNU/Linux.

Yep, my current combo Mac + Linux; i'm super happy with them:

- macbook air with OS X for holidays or house related

- macbook pro with OS X for work

- desktop with Ubuntu for long programming sessions

- home-office headless server with Ubuntu for NAS/webapp hosting/home-automation/backups

I have setup my systems to synchronise all my files through my NAS using unison. So all my project files are accessible locally on all my personal computers. I've been using this setup for at least 6 years now.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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I just switched from Mac to Windows and had to move back. I cannot believe how miserable the Windows experience is. I mistakenly thought that since so much is browser-based, it's not a big deal. But literally every single little thing is slightly-to-much worse on Windows. Even stupid things like changing scroll direction, saving the 5 second preference for notifications to disappear, finding a wifi password, arrangin…

There is a better terminal coming out, but I use Cmder in the meantime.

Taking screenshots has a shortcut key. Alt + Shift + S.

I use a screen manager called Aqua Snap. It's great.

I turned off notifications. They are awful.

I use Windows and OSX, but I understand how you feel. I still prefer OSX.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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post #10

The writer is a journalist. For techies using Mac, there's a bigger question of whether you want to just move from Mac to GNU/Linux.

Whenever I try to use Linux I find it's essentially impossible due to terrible power management support for any hardware I can find. I'm used to 10 hours on my MacBook - how do I get that on Linux?

Their are a variety of ways to manage all of the power management settings on Linux.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management

It can be a pain; enabeling sleep for every USB devices will likely result in the keyboard or touchpad becoming broken, increase the latency it takes to respond, etc. But once it's configured it just works very well. I'm getting 10+ hours on a Dell XPS 13" under light web browsing + youtube.

Any Apple laptop will likely need some unique customizations for everything to work and for maximum battery life. It could be argued that instead its popularity drives up the number of discovered errata. Case in point, the Archlinux page contains not only an extensive "Mac" page but it also has dozens of pages for specific Apple computers documenting pretty much everything you would need to know to get every feature working and get comparable battery life (could be a little better or worse).

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBookPro#Power_manage...

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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"Bash on Windows is maturing quickly." -- Hold my beer. Sorry, maturing quickly isn't going to cut it if you're a hardcore developer that works off the bash command line.

MSYS2 has been distributing a native Windows port of bash for years; it's completely stable and works great (it's the one used in Git Bash). "Maturing quickly" refers to the reverse-Wine/integrated VM situation that MS is developing in WSL.

Re: The state of switching to Windows from Mac in 2019

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post #9

I just switched from Mac to Windows and had to move back. I cannot believe how miserable the Windows experience is. I mistakenly thought that since so much is browser-based, it's not a big deal. But literally every single little thing is slightly-to-much worse on Windows. Even stupid things like changing scroll direction, saving the 5 second preference for notifications to disappear, finding a wifi password, arrangin…

I haven't found it as bad as that, but agree it's a poorer desktop environment in lots of mostly small ways than macOS.

I don't know how you work out it doesn't have a unix shell though. It does, in the estimation of many a better one by default than on macs.

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