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ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by toast0 »

pmlnr wrote: post #7

The whole decentralize everything! movement seems to overlook DNS. I get that technically the DNS system is decentralized, but in reality, you lease a domain from a random, usually politically charged entity, who can do anything with it, if they wish. We need a real DNS system, one where an individual can request and have a domain for life and which is truly decentralized. Unfortunately none of the attempts - .onion…

> one where an individual can request and have a domain for life

Annual payment is proof that you're still alive.

AlterNIC tried settint up alternate tlds years ago, and is now gone. The problems are an alternate root is very unlikely to get consensus, and name resolution without consensus isn't very useful; and you're not going to be able to have friendly names without an arbiter to decide who gets pmlnr.example.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by akerl_ »

salawat wrote: post #29
ailideex wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019. Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? If you said that the actual group of mythical woman should have gotten it I would say maybe you have a point, but then we would have to first figure out how mythical creatures can own thi…

>Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? News flash: You're being that guy. They have a far more legitimate claim because they administer the majority of the geological zone known as the Amazon Basin, and have since long before Amazon the company was a twinkle in Bezos' eye? I mean... I'm hoping you were being tongue-in-cheek... Nowadays it seems to be getting more dif…

Notably, it’s not called “the Amazon Basin” to the people who live there (given that English is not their primary language).

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by threezero »

One of the article comments suggests antitrust action, so I looked up prior lawsuits against ICANN for abusing their monopoly. The only one I found shows it being settled, not dismissed. Maybe it’s time to start filing complaints with government agencies against ICANN.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by thinkmassive »

pmlnr wrote: post #7

The whole decentralize everything! movement seems to overlook DNS. I get that technically the DNS system is decentralized, but in reality, you lease a domain from a random, usually politically charged entity, who can do anything with it, if they wish. We need a real DNS system, one where an individual can request and have a domain for life and which is truly decentralized. Unfortunately none of the attempts - .onion…

Another approach worth keeping an eye on is the Ethereum Name Service (ENS): https://ens.domains

Personally I find tor to be most usable out of the approaches you listed, but obviously not for memorable names.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by privateSFacct »

salawat wrote: post #29
ailideex wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019. Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? If you said that the actual group of mythical woman should have gotten it I would say maybe you have a point, but then we would have to first figure out how mythical creatures can own thi…

>Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? News flash: You're being that guy. They have a far more legitimate claim because they administer the majority of the geological zone known as the Amazon Basin, and have since long before Amazon the company was a twinkle in Bezos' eye? I mean... I'm hoping you were being tongue-in-cheek... Nowadays it seems to be getting more dif…

The word Amazon is an English word from Latin from Greek. It goes WAY back before peruvian groups were calling the Amazon the Amazon.

Secondly, the idea that peruvian groups called the Río Marañón and Rio Solimões the Amazon before it was called the Amazon in english seems a bit unlikely.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by NikkiA »

pmlnr wrote: post #17
ailideex wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need a real DNS system, one where an individual can request and have a domain for life and which is truly decentralized. I very much want this also - but this cannot be solved in the same way as the challenge of business domain name assignment - a different approach should be used: [idx].[yyyyddmm].[given_names].[family_name].id e.g. 023.19830210.john_smith_3rd.doe.id given_names can have some standard seperator…

During the socialist system one received a personal identification number. It was very similar to this. The good side: - I like the idea and I have been thinking around the same lines The bad side: - how would changed names, like marriage, be handled? - it shows too much PII - I believe knowing a domain like this would immediately fall under GDPR - still not easy to remember - doesn't allow pseudonyms - I know that p…

> how would changed names, like marriage, be handled?

The same way it works with NI numbers in the UK and SS numbers in the US, you tell the agency about the change and that's that.

Why would a number being associated with your person have any issue about your name changing? the very purpose is to disassociate the name from being a unique identifier.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by CameronNemo »

ailideex wrote: post #28
xur17 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't get some personal domain name for life from this - it is market based AFAICT. The yearly renewal fee is fixed, and is a standard transaction fee, not market based [0]. [0] https://handshake.org/faq

Claim from the site you linked to is not the same as your claim: > Renewals for names are annual and cost a standard network fee. Miners will receive the transaction fee as part of their block reward. This could mean: - Fixed USD fee (it is not this one) - Fixed coin fee (don't think it is this one either) - but coin price is marked based - so fee is market based - Price does not depend on domain name but miners basi…

Can you explain how the miners can price discriminate against certain domains? Seems like the network fee would need to be identical for every concurrent transaction.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by will_brown »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #3

The whole domain market experience is utter crap. Commoditizing domain names has created such an unbalanced power dynamic between buyers and sellers where the sellers hold all the power. Gatekeeping at it's finest. Contrast this with acquiring a business name through any Department of State/Division of Corporations. I shouldn't have to name my company some contorted bastardization to successfully enter the market.

>Contrast this with acquiring a business name through any Department of State/Division of Corporations.

What do you mean by this?

Generally if a corporate name is registered (example: ABC, INC.) most states will not allow another “ABC” to be registered (even if ending in another suffix like “Corp” or even if another type of entity like an LLC).

I had a client in a certain state who registered their entity name as MSG HOLDINGS and wouldn’t you know I got a call from General Counsel of Madison Square Garden one day making an offer to purchase my clients entity solely for the name.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by kabwj »

salawat wrote: post #29
ailideex wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019. Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? If you said that the actual group of mythical woman should have gotten it I would say maybe you have a point, but then we would have to first figure out how mythical creatures can own thi…

>Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? News flash: You're being that guy. They have a far more legitimate claim because they administer the majority of the geological zone known as the Amazon Basin, and have since long before Amazon the company was a twinkle in Bezos' eye? I mean... I'm hoping you were being tongue-in-cheek... Nowadays it seems to be getting more dif…

Someone who disagrees with you is either a joker or someone who hasn’t thought through things long enough.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by danShumway »

shock wrote: post #21
cardamomo wrote: post #5

Press release from Public Interest Registry, which oversees .org and similar TLDs: https://pir.org/pir-welcomes-renewed-org-agreement/ > Regarding the removal of price caps, we would like to underscore that Public Interest Registry is a mission driven non-profit registry and currently has no specific plans for any price changes for .ORG. Should there be a need for a sensible price increase at some point in the future…

> Public Interest Registry is a mission driven non-profit registry and currently has no specific plans for any price changes This means nothing. It's like when you get the hiring paperwork and the HR person says regarding the non-compete: "oh, don't worry about it, it's not enforceable"...

Exactly. If it's not an issue or it's not enforceable, then why not put it in writing?
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