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Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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That’s the point. Advertise the hazards of smoking in the places where people smoke.

By smoking it.

Otherwise you are subjective to survivorship bias: if people were silently quitting social media the ones who remain wouldn’t be aware there’s anything wrong with those social media.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Kim Kardashian's business thrives on "media" and social media. Why would she be on it?

Not just her business, her identity. Their whole family is based on being a brand.

One reason would be that her media business is controlled by a corporation that could ban her without notice at any moment and without reason. A decentralized network would allow her more control.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#33

Is HN a form of social media?

I would define online forums, newsgroups, and IRC/IM chat as predecessors to the current generation of social media, which are focused on the individual profile.

On social media you follow people, while on forums you follow topics.

From that understanding, I think HN is more of a forum, which is an online media format that predates what we define today as social media. (but it certainly similar to varying degrees, as are online media venues like Reddit).

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#34
Social media is hard to define so participants are more likely to cheat. Should be an internet strike which is "as simple as" going camping without your phones/computers for 2 days, which honestly would be great practice for a newly decentralized world.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#35

Is HN a form of social media?

Yes. HN is a form of social media -- it's a social media exemplar -- the exception that proves it's possible to have an open system for high-quality public discourse, even if such a system is hard to establish and even harder to maintain.

Paul Graham has said, "he hopes to avoid the Eternal September that results in the general decline of intelligent discourse within a community" [1]. Hacker News launched 12 years ago in 2007, it's a testament to Graham, the moderators, the algorithms behind it, and the community members that HN has been able to keep its system for high quality intelligent discourse from devolving over time.

If HN doesn't resemble most other social media systems -- so much so that people have to ask -- this is why. Establishing such a system is hard to do, and even harder to maintain. So far HN has been an exception, not the rule.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_News

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#36

Is HN a form of social media?

I would define online forums, newsgroups, and IRC/IM chat as predecessors to the current generation of social media, which are focused on the individual profile. On social media you follow people, while on forums you follow topics. From that understanding, I think HN is more of a forum, which is an online media format that predates what we define today as social media. (but it certainly similar to varying degrees, as…

> On social media you follow people, while on forums you follow topics.

This is a very good summary, thank you.

How about Reddit? It does have a few “celebrities” but in general it is about topics.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#37
Eh? There already are decentralized social networks available to use. This doesn’t add up.

And as others have pointed out, what networks are eligible for this forced decentralization process? Should some networks be allowed to be centralized? Which ones, if so?

Let’s not be too hasty.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#39
There are already options for decentralized social media. So clearly the majority of people is not in favor of using them, or they would simply do so (without a strike).

Therefore, this is about a minority trying to force the majority of people to adapt to their preferences.

I can not sympathize with such a cause, even though I personally would prefer decentralized solutions.

It reminds me of the town that voted to ban Amazon - when they could just have shopped locally to begin with. Weird, really.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

#40
I feel that even if everybody who cared went on strike, the difference in daily visitors would probably be in the error margin.

I think most people who really care have already left the centralised social media or scaled it down to the point that a non-strike day is an exception.

I do not disagree with the message, but I seriously doubt that this will have any effect.

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