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Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

Shivetya wrote: post #20

Well I was not going to buy one, the price jump from the previous Pro was not something I or many expected or appreciated. I will get on my soap box again. Apple needs to be out of China, not moving more manufacturing to that country. What will it take to get Apple to stand up for the rights of the oppressed in China or are they that wrapped up in dollars they no longer see the people component? For a country which s…

> Apple needs to be out of China, not moving more manufacturing to that country.

Why? It’s better for China ans Chinese for sure and I’m sure for a luxury product it’s better for US consumers as well.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by muzani »

gentran wrote: post #21

Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Why do you say China is unstable?

The US is talking about starting a war, had government shutdown issues recently, and has a president that is abrasive on foreign affairs. UK is dealing with brexit.

China may have the issue with HK recently, but to an outsider, they look more stable. Of course, something like Japan or Australia seems better, but China isn't a terrible choice.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by duxup »

gentran wrote: post #21

Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Perhaps stability is less a concern when "everyone else is doing it" and you are worried about quarter to quarter results... not longer term.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by fouc »

dapids wrote: post #4

I wonder how predicted sales of the cheese grater are going? EDIT: I didn't even know it wasn't for sale yet, whoops, a lot of hype though...

I would imagine the sales should be pretty successful. $6k is still in the realm of 1 to 3 months earnings for many folks. Even I'm tempted.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by povertyworld »

a_lifters_life wrote: post #2

This is not good.

The article reveals that the people working the Mac Pro assembly line in Texas where paid the minimum wage which in Texas is currently $7.25 an hour. When the plant closes, those guys can apply to any fast food place in Austin, and make the same money.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by mfatica »

muzani wrote: post #32
gentran wrote: post #21

Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Why do you say China is unstable? The US is talking about starting a war, had government shutdown issues recently, and has a president that is abrasive on foreign affairs. UK is dealing with brexit. China may have the issue with HK recently, but to an outsider, they look more stable. Of course, something like Japan or Australia seems better, but China isn't a terrible choice.

The US is not talking about starting a war. President Trump has been very clear he wants to avoid war.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by nexuist »

gentran wrote: post #21

Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

Apple has enough money in the bank at this point to not really care about what is or what isn't the most stable. They could make the worst decisions possible and it would take years before the consequences of their actions come back to bite them. While I'm sure they had genius analysts crunch and ultimately approve this move, the rules are different for them.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by Spooky23 »

scotchio wrote: post #12

Anyone have a good resource of backdoor / spy / sketchy China computer manufacturing things? I always see info about the Huawei scandal for example, and I would love to read a great write up of more specific technical details of things going on

You'll have a hard time finding that.

But, you'll have an easier time finding out what companies who sell services related to supply chain integrity protection and counterfeit detection. Googling about those topics and companies like Harris Corp are good places to start. If you look at what these companies do, you should be able to infer what they are protecting against.

From what I gather, the usual threat for this sort of compromise is that adversaries in the supply chain or channel either provide or inject bogus parts or equipment. This may be done for spying purposes, but most often are just ways to make a little extra money.

The alleged difference with a state-owned entity like Huawei is that the "trusted" supply chain itself is doing untrustworthy things.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #29

For years I've been very happy, productive, and at times stubbornly loyal on my Linux / Lenovo setup, but it seems that so many of my colleagues have embraced Mac that it's gotten harder and harder to not be on the bandwagon. I recently hit the point of deciding maybe I should just have a Mac, but I seem to have done so after Macbook Pros have passed their peak. I don't follow consumer hardware trends much, so what d…

The System76 Thelio seems to be picking up steam for a high-end native-Linux desktop.
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