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A Gas Heist Gone Wrong

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Re: A Gas Heist Gone Wrong

#31
This is primarily about the poverty of the victims. Most of the adults must have known about the extreme danger of being close to gasoline fumes. If we can't blame their innocence, what's left besides an overwhelming need for the gas or the profit from it?

Maybe the answer is herd following behavior. A few oblivious people go into the danger zone, and the less oblivious think maybe they know a reason why it isn't dangerous and I shouldn't miss out. It's a human variation of the myth of lemmings jumping off cliffs, but less mythical.

Re: A Gas Heist Gone Wrong

#32

Worth remembering Mexico nationalized gas, leading to gas shortages, rationing - and higher prices.

That seems like a un-nuanced generalization of Mexico and it's politics. Saudi Arabia has nationalized gas and has no shortage and low prices.

I'm just relaying the sense I get from all of my Mexican friends, and studying their culture and history. Their government is unbelievably corrupt and under-performing - and insofar as they've nationalized the provision of gas, yes I expect their government to be less reliant than private&international companies.

Re: A Gas Heist Gone Wrong

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Worth remembering Mexico nationalized gas, leading to gas shortages, rationing - and higher prices.

Worth debunking that, as:

a) Mexico nationalized gas on 1938.

b) Fuel shortage and price hike actually started on 2016 when the previous right wing government deregulated the gas price, and allowed other companies to sell fuel in a free market scheme.

Panic sales as everyone was expecting a price hike were the cause of fuel shortages across 2016 and 2017.

While the current government has currently halted the privatization process for PEMEX, based on allegations of corruption and dirty business; the fuel shortage was (at least the official story) because of an operation to stop fuel theft, again with allegations of complicity of previous governments.

Re: A Gas Heist Gone Wrong

#36
post #8

This is what happens when you take a story, in this case gangs and cartels stealing gasoline from pipelines, and add a human interest element that has nothing to do with the story. In this case, that is a group of locals taking gas spewing from a broken pipeline and being killed or injured by the explosion.

I'm pretty sure the story here is how 137 people died in a gas explosion in Mexico (plus probably hundreds injured for life), including some backstory as to why that explosion happened. > The Mendoza sisters, however, say seeking out a guilty party is a low priority for them, at least for now. They’re trying to survive the consequences of the fire and get used to the idea of being alone in Hidalgo.

"A typical huachicoleo involves two or three people soldering and tapping the pipe and a group of halcones, or hawks, keeping watch. The solderer and his teammates use high-power drills to perforate the pipes, then affix taps and sometimes a hose to retrieve as much fuel as their portable tank can carry, generally into the hundreds or thousands of gallons. [...] Generally, these extractions, or tomas clandestinas, are coordinated operations run by gangs in the dead of night."

That doesn't sound like it has anything to do with the incident where 137 people died.

"Huachicoleo is becoming one of Mexico’s most pressing economic issues. In 2018 thieves made off with about $3 billion in gas from 12,500 siphonings, almost double the number of thefts of two years earlier. The motive comes down to math. “Most people here earn around 1,500 pesos [$78] a week in a normal job, but by doing this you can get your hands on 2,000 pesos a night for being a hawk and up to 15,000 pesos for being the one who solders the tap,” the Hidalgo huachicolero says. “In an area where people were not long ago riding donkeys, they now have fancy cars.” He and other gang members say a night’s worth of stolen fuel, sold on the black market, can net their bosses roughly $46,000 in profit."

Which means all that has nothing to do with the story, right?

Re: A Gas Heist Gone Wrong

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post #22

Reminds me of the Zoolander gasoline fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTrxEQnPtAg

That's exactly what I was thinking when I read: “People were fighting, others laughing, and most were drunk on the fumes. They were throwing gas at each other.” It's amazing (and tragic) that people would do this in real life.

Intoxication is a hell of a thing.

Re: A Gas Heist Gone Wrong

#38
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fortunately, that is the story. But the headline makes it sound like the accident in particular was due to a heist. This implying an organized effort to steal gas. But as the precious poster mentioned, this was a broken line that locals just started showing up to in order to take advantage of the free money.

It wasn't a broken line, it was a botched tap job. I don't see a lot of moral difference between an organized heist and an impromptu opportunistic criminal mob, except that the former has the decency to not get children involved.

"The scene in the green alfalfa field abutting the pipeline appeared to be a free-for-all, roughly 80 villagers swarming a leak inside a 100-foot-long, 5-foot-deep irrigation trench that bisected the field. There seemed to be no organization, no tap, no hose—only two holes in the pipe, which made the fuel spurt as if from a wonky fountain. It seemed possible a local huachicol gang had screwed up the extraction, but the holes had none of the typical hallmarks."

There's no description or picture of the pipe, other than that and the photo captioned, "Survivors have erected a memorial at the site of the fire." Similar pipes get punctured by farm equipment fairly routinely; there's no reason to believe this was a criminal tap rather than an accident that the local people tried to take advantage of.

What I suspect Bloomberg wants is an article about the evils of gasoline thieves and they're sticking the human interest story to that to get attention.

Re: A Gas Heist Gone Wrong

#39
post #8

This is what happens when you take a story, in this case gangs and cartels stealing gasoline from pipelines, and add a human interest element that has nothing to do with the story. In this case, that is a group of locals taking gas spewing from a broken pipeline and being killed or injured by the explosion.

I don't think a broken pipeline is the case -- unlike our pipelines, these ones are buried several feet underground. Pipelines don't just unearth themselves: someone deliberately dug out and punctured it, in an attempt to steal gas.

Ever seen those "Dial before you dig" signs?

Re: A Gas Heist Gone Wrong

#40

There was an article recently about how the drug cartels in Mexico pivoted into stealing gas. Much easier and less risky than drug trafficking. This is why ending the war on drugs in US will not improve the Mexico violence problem much.

Just getting rid of the guns for drugs trade would eliminate a lot of Mexico’s violence: Mexico’s gun production is trifling compared to the USA, they would be underwater on gun violence without that illicit trade link.
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