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I’m not really a good web developer, I'm just good at Googling things

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Re: I’m not really a good web developer, I'm just good at Googling things

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One of the things I don't like about webdev (among many) is that I even have to Google in the first place. Manpages are so much more immediate and accessible. I also think that anything js-adjacent has a real culture problem. Trying to dredge an answer out of a Medium tutorial written in a cloying tone and interspersed with pointless gifs can be such a groan enducing experience. I'm hoping that the community will mat…

Couldn't agree more.

All that and emojii's sprinkled everywhere like cat vomit.

Re: I’m not really a good web developer, I'm just good at Googling things

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The problem is there is too much noise in Google. Its highly unlikely you can google your way to being a competent software designer

I think relying on Google, at least in the initial days of development is bad. I rather developers struggle their way through relevant documentation than google.

Re: I’m not really a good web developer, I'm just good at Googling things

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Using search engines sometimes feel like a lost art if you spend any time in Facebook groups, where people will ask mundande, simple, and easily Googleable questions. Sometimes I wonder if people do it to fill some sort of social need, and don't particularly care for the answer.

Every Google search you do is a lost opportunity for an unexpected conversation. Imagine never meeting a wife because you did a Google search instead.

Also imagine meeting your wife because you did a search query. Since we're in a purely hypothetical plane, both of these are equally plausible.

Re: I’m not really a good web developer, I'm just good at Googling things

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Using search engines sometimes feel like a lost art if you spend any time in Facebook groups, where people will ask mundande, simple, and easily Googleable questions. Sometimes I wonder if people do it to fill some sort of social need, and don't particularly care for the answer.

For all the people who replied to this supporting the "social need" view - there are enough unGoogleable questions you can draw a conversation around.

Re: I’m not really a good web developer, I'm just good at Googling things

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Google is not a search engine. It is a memory upgrade, and anybody who tries to write software with a standard human memory is obsolete.

Wrong. Software is not so complicated that you have to Google search everything every time. If you are not internalizing new knowledge, you are performing poorly.

> Software is not so complicated

What kind of software do you write? Software is one of the most unnecessary complex things humanity has invented.

Re: I’m not really a good web developer, I'm just good at Googling things

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One of the things I don't like about webdev (among many) is that I even have to Google in the first place. Manpages are so much more immediate and accessible. I also think that anything js-adjacent has a real culture problem. Trying to dredge an answer out of a Medium tutorial written in a cloying tone and interspersed with pointless gifs can be such a groan enducing experience. I'm hoping that the community will mat…

Man pages rarely are enough in my experience. When I encounter an issue with grub-install not writing to my EFI system partition, good luck finding much about it in its very short man page. You’ll have better luck using the ArchWiki, which is like a much better man page, but a simple Google search (or another search engine) will show a forum post with an easy solution as the very first result.

Piping six man pages through grep to find what I’m looking for is simply not as fast as Googling an error message.

I think there’s also a sort of cultural difference between languages and tools frequented by newer and older programmers: more experienced people look for documentation and then get working on their project, whereas less experienced programmers look for tutorials and very specific “soft” documentation.

Transitioning from modifying tutorials (the type-in-the-code-in-the-magazine of the 21st century) to glancing at the documentation is probably the surest sign of maturity. Still, you can get a ton done by copypasta.

This might have to do with learning to code with or without the Internet, I’m not sure. I’m personally very envious of people who can take a look at the docs and just get chopping without the assistance of the GIF-covered Medium posts.

Re: I’m not really a good web developer, I'm just good at Googling things

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One of the things I don't like about webdev (among many) is that I even have to Google in the first place. Manpages are so much more immediate and accessible. I also think that anything js-adjacent has a real culture problem. Trying to dredge an answer out of a Medium tutorial written in a cloying tone and interspersed with pointless gifs can be such a groan enducing experience. I'm hoping that the community will mat…

Do you personally have recs for how to parse manpages? In my experience, I've found them far more difficult to grok than e.g. the MDN JavaScript docs. Particularly if I'm trying to look up a tool that I don't already have familiarity with, as opposed to e.g. just trying to look up the correct syntax for a flag.

Re: I’m not really a good web developer, I'm just good at Googling things

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One of the things I don't like about webdev (among many) is that I even have to Google in the first place. Manpages are so much more immediate and accessible. I also think that anything js-adjacent has a real culture problem. Trying to dredge an answer out of a Medium tutorial written in a cloying tone and interspersed with pointless gifs can be such a groan enducing experience. I'm hoping that the community will mat…

I’d honestly love to know what people are comparing to javascript when they complain about rate of change / having to learn, unless it’s just a mental bias on learning something new vs something they’re comfortable with. I’m in a new position working on python and spring APIs and it’s effectively the same deal — researching means filtering through bitrotted methods and advice over a 4-5 year period, new methods & libraries or api usage patterns, etc.

Anyone could divine some reasons for why javascript / “web dev” is so different but I’m seeing shades of the same thing mixed with personal biases towards trade offs and design decisions.

Re: I’m not really a good web developer, I'm just good at Googling things

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I can be both. I arrested myself typing out a “let me google that for you” reply on a small social network years ago. I realized doing that stops a conversation dead in its tracks. And sometimes people just want to have a conversation.

Agreed. I often just want the answer but for a lot of people it’s about the interaction, not the solution.

Also, sometimes it is about the solution plus the social proof that they are assessing the solution correctly.

Also, google isn't that great at telling you when you are asking the wrong question.

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