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Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by dgzl »

INTPenis wrote: post #25

Is windows tax really that bad? I mean I can get an OEM license for 12 dollars most of the time because of promotions. So if I as a consumer pay 12 dollars for an OEM version, I would expect Lenovo to pay much less. Also my first observation is that these laptops are far too big and powerful for my work with Linux. I work full time in Linux but I focus more on weight and form factor than CPU and GPU because all my wo…

I mean, there's a substantial effort to developing the gaming platform on Linux. Maybe that's their audience?

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by Stratoscope »

paulcarroty wrote: post #12

Lenovo caught for unremovable crapware in BIOS, so I don't recommend to buy their products anymore. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/12/lenovo_firmware_nas...

Your second link is about someone who flashed their own copy of Windows 3.1 into the boot ROM of their own ThinkPad X200. Lenovo didn't put Windows 3.1 there, that user did.

Your first link is about Lenovo's IdeaPad line. IdeaPad and ThinkPad could well be thought of as products from two different companies.

Lenovo was already making laptops when they bought the ThinkPad line from IBM. Their own laptops evolved into the consumer oriented IdeaPad line, while ThinkPad remained the business oriented line.

They're both part of Lenovo, but are largely separate teams with different business goals and philosophies.

In particular, ThinkPads were never infested with any of the stuff you're talking about.

Here is the original notice from Lenovo about this. No ThinkPads are listed:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190303121854/https://news.leno...

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by INTPenis »

dgzl wrote: post #31
INTPenis wrote: post #25

Is windows tax really that bad? I mean I can get an OEM license for 12 dollars most of the time because of promotions. So if I as a consumer pay 12 dollars for an OEM version, I would expect Lenovo to pay much less. Also my first observation is that these laptops are far too big and powerful for my work with Linux. I work full time in Linux but I focus more on weight and form factor than CPU and GPU because all my wo…

I mean, there's a substantial effort to developing the gaming platform on Linux. Maybe that's their audience?

From what I've seen that effort seems to be going into proprietary platforms like Stadia. There no guarantee that will trickle down to the open source community.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

#34

Post by onion2k »

INTPenis wrote: post #25

Is windows tax really that bad? I mean I can get an OEM license for 12 dollars most of the time because of promotions. So if I as a consumer pay 12 dollars for an OEM version, I would expect Lenovo to pay much less. Also my first observation is that these laptops are far too big and powerful for my work with Linux. I work full time in Linux but I focus more on weight and form factor than CPU and GPU because all my wo…

Also my first observation is that these laptops are far too big and powerful for my work with Linux.

I don't need an 18-wheeler for my commute to work.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

#35

Post by LeonM »

I own an 4K X1-extreme, which is basically the P1 without the Quadro card and Xeon/ECC option.

I run Ubuntu 19.04 on it and have so many problems.

- Grub has ridiculous performance issues on 4K screens, it renders at less than 1 fps, making it a real pain to do anything in it.

- You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only.

- The Lenovo TB3 dock never works properly.

- The dual GPU situation (Intel + nVidia) requires all sorts of hacks to make it somewhat workable.

- The power usage is an abomination under Linux as it can't properly scale the nVidia GPU.

- Working with the TPM under Linux feels hacky, but maybe that's mostly due to my lack of experience and the lack of documentation.

OK, so all these problems are all due to my specific situation (running dual boot, and an external 4K display through the TB3 dock), but I really, really hope they start fixing these issues if they are going to officially support Ubuntu.

One plus though: due to the high power consumption under Linux, the coil whine is a lot less notable...

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by meruru »

INTPenis wrote: post #33
dgzl wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, there's a substantial effort to developing the gaming platform on Linux. Maybe that's their audience?

From what I've seen that effort seems to be going into proprietary platforms like Stadia. There no guarantee that will trickle down to the open source community.

A Stadia lock-is is preferable to a Windows lock-in since there's no reason for Stadia to not run on Linux.

Stadia uses Linux and Vulkan so games ported to run on Stadia should work on the Linux desktop too.

I'm responding to the mention of Stadia, but I'm not sure what this has to do with Lenovo.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by pcr0 »

INTPenis wrote: post #33
dgzl wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, there's a substantial effort to developing the gaming platform on Linux. Maybe that's their audience?

From what I've seen that effort seems to be going into proprietary platforms like Stadia. There no guarantee that will trickle down to the open source community.

I can't speak for Stadia but Steam have been shipping open source projects like Proton and pushing Vulkan. If anything, Stadia will increase pressure on Steam to keep improving desktop Linux compatibility.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by josteink »

LeonM wrote: post #35

I own an 4K X1-extreme, which is basically the P1 without the Quadro card and Xeon/ECC option. I run Ubuntu 19.04 on it and have so many problems. - Grub has ridiculous performance issues on 4K screens, it renders at less than 1 fps, making it a real pain to do anything in it. - You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. - The Lenovo TB3 dock never works properly. - The dual GPU situati…

> You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only.

They offer ISO-images for these updates too. You can also create a USB-bootable version from these using the geteltorito tool (which is available via apt).

https://workaround.org/article/updating-the-bios-on-lenovo-l...

Edit:

> OK, so all these problems are all due to my specific situation (running dual boot

Why are you using GRUB to dual-boot at all? Your machine has UEFI for that.

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