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Re: Scooter Madness

#31

> Last month, the inevitable happened: Brady Gaulke, a 26-year-old Nashville man, was killed in a collision with an S.U.V. while riding a scooter. His grieving parents have launched a petition to ban the devices in Nashville. “[E]-scooters are unsafe at any speed, and we are calling on Mayor David Briley and the Metro Council to ban them from the streets immediately,” the petition reads, arguing that Mr. Gaulke shoul…

Imagine being gaslighted by the scooter industry so hard you think that cars are the problem here, not the scooter rider that made an illegal turn in front of an SUV which tried but failed to break in time to avoid hitting him. https://www.wsmv.com/news/bird-responds-after-scooter-rider-... https://www.chattanoogan.com/2019/5/20/390590/Brady-Gaulke-D... All of the problems with scooters are artifacts of a startup cul…

Where do you draw the line between individual responsibility and what businesses should shoulder as far as above and beyond safety measures?

I don't necessarily have an answer, but saying scooter companies are responsible for someone's death in the same comment as you mention an illegal uturn seems contradictory to me.

Re: Scooter Madness

#32

> Last month, the inevitable happened: Brady Gaulke, a 26-year-old Nashville man, was killed in a collision with an S.U.V. while riding a scooter. His grieving parents have launched a petition to ban the devices in Nashville. “[E]-scooters are unsafe at any speed, and we are calling on Mayor David Briley and the Metro Council to ban them from the streets immediately,” the petition reads, arguing that Mr. Gaulke shoul…

Imagine being gaslighted by the scooter industry so hard you think that cars are the problem here, not the scooter rider that made an illegal turn in front of an SUV which tried but failed to break in time to avoid hitting him. https://www.wsmv.com/news/bird-responds-after-scooter-rider-... https://www.chattanoogan.com/2019/5/20/390590/Brady-Gaulke-D... All of the problems with scooters are artifacts of a startup cul…

Imagine being gaslighted by the gun industry so hard you think that neither cars, nor scooters kill people. People kill people.

Re: Scooter Madness

#33
post #2

> Brady Gaulke, a 26-year-old Nashville man, was killed in a collision with an S.U.V. while riding a scooter. His grieving parents have launched a petition to ban the devices in Nashville. “[E]-scooters are unsafe at any speed [...] I'm just going to take a moment to remark how impressive it is that automakers have achieved this, that the roads are owned by cars and collisions are framed to be the fault of whoever wa…

It's also amazing to read this piece in the same newspaper that has published perhaps thousands of articles about the (very real) threat of climate change. The solution is to ban 30 pound scooters, which have zero point emissions, in favor of multi-ton cars, which carry around an entire internal-combustion rig, spewing CO2 out the entire way? Talk about bizarre.

> which have zero point emissions

It's better to be precise here: "whose contribution to emissions is an order of magnitude lower than cars."

Re: Scooter Madness

#34

> Last month, the inevitable happened: Brady Gaulke, a 26-year-old Nashville man, was killed in a collision with an S.U.V. while riding a scooter. His grieving parents have launched a petition to ban the devices in Nashville. “[E]-scooters are unsafe at any speed, and we are calling on Mayor David Briley and the Metro Council to ban them from the streets immediately,” the petition reads, arguing that Mr. Gaulke shoul…

Imagine being gaslighted by the scooter industry so hard you think that cars are the problem here, not the scooter rider that made an illegal turn in front of an SUV which tried but failed to break in time to avoid hitting him. https://www.wsmv.com/news/bird-responds-after-scooter-rider-... https://www.chattanoogan.com/2019/5/20/390590/Brady-Gaulke-D... All of the problems with scooters are artifacts of a startup cul…

Cars obviously are the problem here. Had the SUV driver been riding a motorcycle, there is a high probability the scooter rider would be alive. But instead of saying to car drivers, "you are operating the least-forgiving vehicle, therefore you will bear the most burden of responsibility", we say, "ran over a bike because your were texting? Here's a $120 ticket, pay more attention next time."

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#35
There's always an adjustment period when transportation options begin to shift rapidly. If you go back and read newspapers from 100 years ago, you'll see people complaining about how cars are a menace and don't belong on the road with horses. Based off of some of the stories about how recklessly people handled some of those cars, you might even be inclined to agree with the anti-car crowd of that time!

However, just like with cars, banning scooters altogether is probably not going to be a widespread outcome. The reason scooters are so popular is because they actually do solve a crucial missing link for many cities, especially southern cities which often have terrible transit options and patchwork sidewalk and bike paths. Then you factor in the crazy summer heat and humidity, and it's no wonder that people are into the idea of a quick, breezy, ride that can navigate on either roads or sidewalks.

Here in Raleigh (which is a fraction of the size of Nashville to be fair ), there is a major problem of pedestrian unfriendliness the second you leave the downtown core or college campus area. The sidewalks are spread out thinly, often only existing along major arterial roads which are hard to cross, and then often only one sidewalk on either side. The back roads which would be safer to walk on in real cities normally (due to having less traffic), typically lack sidewalks at all. So you end up with your options being big empty, sidewalks with no shade or benches alongside cars going 50mph (on a road that doesn't usually have actual houses on it) or tighter roads with no sidewalk at all where people actually live (no benches, but more shade). It's a crappy time for a pedestrian either way and it's no surprise that most people don't want to make use of either option. However, I've found that on a scooter it's actually not terrible. The big empty sidewalks aren't so miserable because you get a breeze, and on the back-roads your scooter keeps up with cars better and has a light on it for visibility.

The issues with parking in bad places could be pretty easily solved with a some infrastructure for racks and geofencing to ensure riders end up there. The helmet issue can be changed by making helmets more portable and widely available. I bought a helmet for myself and my husband just to use the scooters. It's slightly inconvenient, but not a big deal. I can buckle it to my backpack. I'd prefer something that could fold up, or maybe a sharing model (leave a helmet / take a helmet at stations with scooters), but again I think that's something we can solve with regulation rather than outright banning. One thing I've wondered is if scooter companies could install a little camera facing the rider (or require you to take a pic with your phone camera) to verify a helmet is on before starting the ride using ML (like the "hotdog, not hotdog" joke app from the tv show "Silicon Valley").

Re: Scooter Madness

#36
post #11

We are so violently opposed to car alternatives, it makes me wonder what other better worlds are within reach that we simply can’t or refuse to see

I think that's a mischaracterization of the argument here, though. The point is that riders of these things are causing novel hazards to the people around them without any sort of mitigating factors like licensure or taxation. I know I feel pretty mad when someone zips by me on the sidewalk while I'm walking my (small) dog, and that anger goes mostly to the scooter company that is enabling an idiot. If, in the end, this is a stepping stone to lower pollution, great, but that doesn't mean there aren't any problems with it because it is the lesser of two evils. This is all to say that I, a real genuine person, am not upset with the Advent of scooters because they are competing with cars; it's for completely different reasons.

Re: Scooter Madness

#37

> Last month, the inevitable happened: Brady Gaulke, a 26-year-old Nashville man, was killed in a collision with an S.U.V. while riding a scooter. His grieving parents have launched a petition to ban the devices in Nashville. “[E]-scooters are unsafe at any speed, and we are calling on Mayor David Briley and the Metro Council to ban them from the streets immediately,” the petition reads, arguing that Mr. Gaulke shoul…

Imagine being gaslighted by the scooter industry so hard you think that cars are the problem here, not the scooter rider that made an illegal turn in front of an SUV which tried but failed to break in time to avoid hitting him. https://www.wsmv.com/news/bird-responds-after-scooter-rider-... https://www.chattanoogan.com/2019/5/20/390590/Brady-Gaulke-D... All of the problems with scooters are artifacts of a startup cul…

>not the scooter rider that made an illegal turn in front of an SUV which tried but failed to break in time to avoid hitting him

I rented a Lime S scooter in Louisville, Kentucky this weekend. It became apparent after about a block that the brake was completely non-functional. I parked the scooter, ended the ride, and reported that it had a defective brake...but yet it remained available for rent in the Lime app anyway. Seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

The more I think about it, the more I regret not tossing the scooter into the nearest dumpster after the ride was over and the parking photo was submitted.

Re: Scooter Madness

#38

My primary issues with dockless scooters are these: 1. Solid tires are awful. Harsh ride, unsafe/twitchy as hell on even slightly rough roads, and they don't inspire confidence for handling. 2. Motors that need to be kick-started in order to have enough torque to work are incredibly frustrating to use and don't have enough acceleration to get out of trouble.

Check out the Boosted Rev...

for $1600, i'll just craiglist myself a 49cc scooter if i want a not-bicycle to get around on. 90+mpg, 30mph top speed, no special insurance or licenses needed, you can park it on the sidewalk, and (in my city) use the bike lanes. And it even carries groceries!

Re: Scooter Madness

#39

> Last month, the inevitable happened: Brady Gaulke, a 26-year-old Nashville man, was killed in a collision with an S.U.V. while riding a scooter. His grieving parents have launched a petition to ban the devices in Nashville. “[E]-scooters are unsafe at any speed, and we are calling on Mayor David Briley and the Metro Council to ban them from the streets immediately,” the petition reads, arguing that Mr. Gaulke shoul…

Imagine being gaslighted by the scooter industry so hard you think that cars are the problem here, not the scooter rider that made an illegal turn in front of an SUV which tried but failed to break in time to avoid hitting him. https://www.wsmv.com/news/bird-responds-after-scooter-rider-... https://www.chattanoogan.com/2019/5/20/390590/Brady-Gaulke-D... All of the problems with scooters are artifacts of a startup cul…

SUVs are more dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists (and scooter riders) than sedans. If you are using a tool that endangers everyone around you then you bear partial responsibility for increasing the latent risk of transportation even if you’re not the proximate cause of a given accident.

Re: Scooter Madness

#40

> Last month, the inevitable happened: Brady Gaulke, a 26-year-old Nashville man, was killed in a collision with an S.U.V. while riding a scooter. His grieving parents have launched a petition to ban the devices in Nashville. “[E]-scooters are unsafe at any speed, and we are calling on Mayor David Briley and the Metro Council to ban them from the streets immediately,” the petition reads, arguing that Mr. Gaulke shoul…

And it wasn't the car, either. IT WAS THE DRIVER CONTROLLING THE CAR. We've been brainwashed so hard, people can't even use language to describe what actually happened, lest responsibility fall on the individual.

And you are so incapable of parsing basic human communication that you don’t understand the use of simple metonymy.
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